Chill out fellas, if you know it is a bait, woulnt it be the best to just ignore it? Whoever it was that threw in the bait is surely laughing at you now.
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Well, I thank him for given me the opportunities to say what needed to be said. That's their usual tactics: taking event out of context of history and historical geopolitical/international situations. And most of us don't really know how to counter those. And it is actually very simple: go back to history and do some real investigation and analysis.
How hard could it be to just look at and interpret simple data like historical populations of different countries during the same era?
How hard could it be to plot a simple chronology of different major events happening inside and outside of China at the same time of the said event?
Once you had these information, it is easy to form your argument. With this, you will see that all those brainless anti-PRC propaganda falls apart.
DaKai
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Don’t feed the troll, just... don’t.You don't know history, nor do you know how much we Chinese people loathe the Western Imperialists and the Japanese invaders, and most of all, the incompetent late Qing dynasty and the ROC. Their incompetence plunged China into a divided lawless country ruled by local warlords, foreign imperialist and their compradors.
As for the Great Leap Forward, only a fool would try to blow this balloon up against China. lol. That was the same time when the US and the USSR (hint hint, Sino-Soviet Split) are both hostile to China, while the ROC remnants in Taiwan are actively preparing for their "Take Back Mainland" military campaign (search 国光计划, aka. Project National Glory, 1961 - 1972). If what you claim as "worst mistake" really was that bad, don't you think the US, ROC and USSR would have taken the chance to invade China? If the PRC really made A HUGE MISTAKE, the country would have fallen back then, under such a hostile environment. This means what you're saying makes no sense at all. Or else, it could mean that us Communist Chinese are such GOD-LIKE people, you Soviets, Americans, and Taiwanese are all scared shitless to even stab and attack us back when we were down and weak., hahahahahaha, lol. That's sarcasm, just in case you didn't recognize.
And those f**kers in 1989 wants to revert China back to a so-called "federation of republics", partitioned and segregated like how China was in the late Qing dynasty and the ROC. How on earth do they not deserve to be crushed!
The reason why your saying makes no sense is because those are not your original thoughts based on careful studies of the real history. They were nothing but anti-PRC propaganda pieces put into your head through media and education.
Guy probably just read some Wikipedia pages and decided he knows everything about China.
Nothing you said would change his mind, for he’s not here to learn or to discuss, he’s here to judge.
Just... don’t.
You guys have gone way off topic here. Keep it news only until people learn how to stay on topic!
Sorry, just saw this.
Thank you mod. There has been so much political quarreling on this forum recently that everyone seems to have ignored the real important news.
So last week I posted that many Taiwanese media have hinted on an upcoming major arms sale to Taiwan consisting of the following 7 weapons:
1. MQ-9 Reaper reconnaissance variant (confirmed)
2. Land-based Harpoon AShM (confirmed)
3. HIMARS (confirmed)
4. M109A6 Paladin (very possible)
5. an unspecified type of naval mine
6. ??? (don't know)
7. ??? (don't know)
Several days ago various American news outlets have just confirmed the arms sale. Here's a report from the New York Times:
U.S. Pushes Large Arms Sale to Taiwan, Including Jet Missiles That Can Hit China
By Edward Wong
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is pushing the sale of seven large packages of weapons to Taiwan, including long-range missiles that would allow Taiwanese jets to hit distant Chinese targets in the event of a conflict, say officials familiar with the proposals.
If approved by Congress, the packages, valued in the billions, would be one of the largest weapons transfers in recent years to Taiwan. The administration plans to informally notify lawmakers of the sales within weeks.
By law, the United States government is required to provide weapons of a defensive nature to Taiwan, a self-governing, democratic island. China, which claims Taiwan as part of its territory, has escalated its military activity near the island after Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, won re-election in January by beating a candidate viewed as friendlier to Beijing.
The proposed sales come as President Trump and his campaign strategists try to paint him as tough on China in the run-up to the election in November. They are eager to divert the conversation among American voters away from Mr. Trump’s vast failures on the coronavirus pandemic and the economy, and to paper over his constant praise for Xi Jinping, China’s authoritarian leader.
Some administration officials see bolstering Taiwan as an important part of creating a broader military counterweight to China in Asia. Taiwan has strong bipartisan support in Congress, so administration officials expect lawmakers to approve the arms sales.
Relations between the United States and China have plummeted to their lowest point in decades, as the two nations openly challenge each other on a wide range of issues, including trade, technology, diplomatic relations and military dominance of Asia.
The most sensitive weapon system of the proposed packages to Taiwan is an air-to-ground missile, the AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER, made by Boeing. Because of its range, it can be fired by jets flying beyond the reach of China’s air defense system. The missiles could hit targets on the Chinese mainland or at sea, including warships trying to cross the Taiwan Strait. The proposed sale of the missile, which is likely to cause concern among Chinese military officials, has not been previously reported.
The missiles can be used with F-16 fighter jets that the United States has sold Taiwan. The Trump administration announced last year that it was selling to Taiwan 66 such jets at $8 billion, one of the single largest arms packages to the island in many years.
Officials said the current proposed sales include surveillance drones that are an unarmed version of the Reaper model made by General Atomics; a truck-based rocket artillery system made by Lockheed Martin; land-based Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Boeing; and sea mines. Reuters reported aspects of the packages on Wednesday.
“The U.S. is increasingly concerned that deterrence is weakening as Chinese military capabilities grow,” said Bonnie S. Glaser, a senior adviser for Asia at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The items in this package will help increase Taiwan’s ability to prevent a Chinese invasion — essentially to hold out longer.”
But, she said: “Weapons procurements are only one part of that equation. The U.S. is also urging Taiwan to rebuild its reserves and conduct more real-world training.”
China traditionally denounces arms sales to Taiwan, and it could send a warning by increasing the intensity of exercises the People’s Liberation Army conducts in the area. Last month, it fired a barrage of medium-range missiles into the South China Sea during a series of military exercises, and on Wednesday, it sent two anti-submarine aircraft into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone.
China might also announce sanctions against the American companies involved in the proposed sales. In July, it said it would penalize Lockheed Martin after the Trump administration had announced it was approving a $620 million arms package to Taiwan that involved upgrades by the company to surface-to-air missiles. But Lockheed Martin barely does any business with China and has supplied weapons and defense equipment to Taiwan for many years.
If China imposed sanctions on Boeing, however, that could deal a blow to the company, which sells commercial jets to the country.
Evan S. Medeiros, a professor at Georgetown University who was a senior Asia director on the National Security Council in the Obama administration, said China might impose sanctions on a few companies, “but strategically they are focused on preserving stability in U.S.-China relations right now.”
Mr. Medeiros and other American officials have pressed Taiwanese officials over the past decade to buy weapons that would enhance deterrence and increase the island military’s abilities to hold off Chinese forces in a meaningful way. In June 2019, the Trump administration, at the request of Taiwanese officials, proposed a $2 billion package of arms that included 108 M1A2 Abrams tanks. Those sales have been widely criticized by U.S. experts on the Chinese military, who say the tanks would not be of great use in the event of an invasion by the People’s Liberation Army.
With the current proposed sales, though, “Taiwan is finally buying what it really needs to implement its asymmetric defense strategy,” Mr. Medeiros said. “It’s a bit tardy to this garden party, but Taiwan’s leaders are finally committing serious resources.”
Some of the biggest proponents of strengthening Taiwan’s military are in the White House. Robert C. O’Brien, the national security adviser, and Matthew Pottinger, his deputy, are advocates of this. Mr. O’Brien’s predecessor, John R. Bolton, has gone farther, pushing for the United States to formally recognize Taiwan.
Administration officials are reluctant to take that step, but they do aim to bolster Taiwan’s diplomatic standing in the world. In March, officials persuaded Mr. Trump to sign the bipartisan Taipei Act passed by Congress, which commits Washington to helping Taiwan improve its international status. On Thursday, Keith J. Krach, the under secretary of state for economic growth, energy and the environment, arrived in Taiwan to attend a memorial service for Lee Teng-hui, a former president.
Last month, Alex M. Azar II, the U.S. secretary of health and human services, met in Taipei with Ms. Tsai, in the highest-level visit by an American official to the island since Washington broke off formal diplomatic relations in 1979.
Taiwanese officials hope that a new economic dialogue with the United States will result in a free-trade agreement.
Here's a link to the non-paywalled article for anyone that is interested:
So basically: US is going to sell a billion-dollar arms package to Taiwan including the following 7 weapons:
1. MQ-9 Reaper reconnaissance variant (confirmed)
2. Land-based Harpoon AShM (confirmed)
3. HIMARS (confirmed)
4. AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER (confirmed)
5. an unspecified type of naval mine (confirmed)
6. M109A6 Paladin (very possible)
7. ??? (don't know) [recently some less-credible Taiwanese media outlets are saying that the 7th weapon is the Abrams tank, however what variant exactly is going to be sold is still unknown]
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Skywatcher
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Huh? The S-400 has a range of 400km. The SLAM-ER goes to 270km.
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