Yes because they were monitoring the conversation.
This is where I got my information, where do you get yours?
China naval drills in East China Sea
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Yes because they were monitoring the conversation.
This is where I got my information, where do you get yours?
solarz
Brigadier
Hmm, this does NOT sound like a guess to me. I have a feeling the Japanese are holding back. They do not seek confrontation, they are expressing concern for the Chinese leadership since discipline among officers in the PLAN has left much to be desired. Lack of discipline and insubordination is dangerous when armed forces come into contact.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Not the same case. Nobody know what is the circumstance. It could be chance encounter or actually shadowing the Kitty hawk to make a point but the Chinese submarine did surface to announced it present, show the flag then leave!
Japanese shadow the fleet all along in High Sea where Japan has no jurisdiction and no business whatsoever!
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Your article doesn't say anything just a bunch of gibberish.
While US regard other country EEZ as high sea(meaning freedom of action to do anything) but at the same time require other country to abide by it's rule and regulation when foreigner fly into Air Defense Identification Zone(ADIZ) that is extended 433 mile into the sea
The UNCLOS specifically said freedom of navigation is not absolute it has to conform to rule and regulation of Coastal state
Nowonder they never ratified the UNCLOS
don't you think it is like having a cake and eating it too!
Read this
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solarz
Brigadier
Okay dude, first you tried to claim that the Chinese helicopter was flying over the Japanese Destroyer. When I pointed out that 90m is not "over", you start to claim that the helicopter pilot disobeyed orders, and the only thing you can use to back that up is a Japanese source.
We all know that the Japanese, just like you, would never make things up.
Zool
Junior Member
None of this core story should be surprising... China is looking to stretch her sea legs and further develop bluewater experience for her officers and ships.
Likewise Japan and USA (India as well) wish to discourage Chinese operations beyond the first island chain as this is a region they have dominated for the last number of decades.
Shadowing the Chinese taskforce and putting out concerned news reports about how close the ships came to Okinawa is Japans way of trying to maintain control and slow expansion.
The Chinese Helo's "buzzing" the Japanese Destroyers was a tit-for-tat response to say the PLAN came to play and expect to see more openwater activity than what has been the norm in the past.
It's politics on the high sea. Nothing more. What would be surprising is if the reports about the Chinese Helo's disregarding orders were true.. I tend to doubt it as Chinese forces seem well disciplined and the actions seem calculated for the situation at the time.
Likewise Japan and USA (India as well) wish to discourage Chinese operations beyond the first island chain as this is a region they have dominated for the last number of decades.
Shadowing the Chinese taskforce and putting out concerned news reports about how close the ships came to Okinawa is Japans way of trying to maintain control and slow expansion.
The Chinese Helo's "buzzing" the Japanese Destroyers was a tit-for-tat response to say the PLAN came to play and expect to see more openwater activity than what has been the norm in the past.
It's politics on the high sea. Nothing more. What would be surprising is if the reports about the Chinese Helo's disregarding orders were true.. I tend to doubt it as Chinese forces seem well disciplined and the actions seem calculated for the situation at the time.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Why I said I believe the"Kitty Hawks" route was known were from remarks made by senior members on "W.A.B." many of which were/are serving members in the US military.They were never questioned on their posts stating that the route was known , by other members of the forum, so I have accepted it. Amongst other supporting evidence one poster named some the accompanying ships they were
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the guided-missile cruisers USS Cowpens (CG 63) and USS Shiloh (CG 67); guided-missile destroyers USS Curtis W. Wilbur (DDG 54), USS John S. McCain (DDG 56), USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), USS Stethem (DDG 63), USS Lassen (DDG 82), USS Mustin (DDG 89), USS Halsey (DDG 97); the high-speed vessel Swift (HSV 2) and submarines USS Seawolf (SSN 21) and USS Asheville (SSN 758)..
The other source I came across I can't locate as I must not have kept it.9Shit its nearly 4yrs ago)
From memeory it was either a blog or a letters to the editor for a online ed of paper or mag. It essentially said similar things with a link to some online home city newspaper that was commenting on the impending deployment of the Kitty Hawk.
One poster said that if the PLA wanted to know where the "KItty Hawk was i, one could check her Website? (I never bothered)
Whether you can accept as resonable proof that US does ocassionally publize its military exercises , its up to you.
However in my post I had suggested why didn't the Chinese publicise their exercise. They have done so in the past
eg Chinese navy to attend joint military exercise in Pakistan
2009-02-19 22:20:10 Print
BEIJING, Feb. 19 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese navy will participate in a ten-day multinational naval exercise in the seas off Pakistan in March, a Ministry of National Defense official said Thursday.
A task force, composed of the destroyer Guangzhou, a helicopter and 10 members of the marine corps will take part in the "Peace-09" exercise, said ministry spokesman Huang Xueping.
The drill, slated for March 5 in the port city of Karachi, was initiated by the Pakistan navy and will be attended by 11 countries.
It includes search-and-rescue exercises, anti-piracy operations and fleet formation defenses.
The purpose for attending the operation is to allow the Chinese navy to gain useful experience from foreign counterparts, strengthen its communication capacity, learn how to cooperate with foreign navies in handling new threats and challenges at sea and maintaining regional peace and stability, Huang said.
The Chinese navy, together with task forces from France, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States, attended a Pakistan navy-initiated joint military exercise in March 2007.
Editor: Mu Xuequan
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Im sure if one wanted to get down to the "Tin Tacks" one would be able to find out more in due course.
eg . On September 10, 2007, the "Harbin" guided missile destroyer and the "Hongzehu" comprehensive supply ship visited Australia and New Zealand. During the visit, China, Australia and New Zealand held a trilateral joint maritime exercise promoted by China on the Tasman Sea area in the South Pacific.
This exercise was made very public exercise cause some controversy "exercising with the commies, that sort of thing" The long and short of this example is that in NZ we have "The freedom of information act" where any member of the public can request information concerning anything about their country.
So I could have gone up and requested more precise info on the exercise, and be given it, as the law allows., and many people did.
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Yes, I agree with you on this one. The main problem now lies with the interpretation of the international law. So the Chinese disagree with the US, and we would leave it to the international court to rule. But what I am saying is that we should not twist the word as our good friend had often done (not you, and no offense intented to you), by saying just half of whatever story he/she heard. That is the intention of my previous post.
And as for the chinese chopper near the japan ship... well, I would not go into it... I am someone who will not pretend that I know something that I don't...
solarz
Brigadier
According to , the Chinese Ambassador to Japan is saying that China did announce this exercise in advance.