yes that is correct, but the SU-30 is like the F-15E Strike Eagle, it is a dule role fighter, means it can do both air-air and air-grd combat. :china: :china:
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yes that is correct, but the SU-30 is like the F-15E Strike Eagle, it is a dule role fighter, means it can do both air-air and air-grd combat. :china: :china:
zachjeli, can you back up that statement with a link? A news article would be fine. Thank you.
Personally I did not find any such statement on line.
edit..I did find an article on stragety page. But I do not trust the source. Plus the article is two years old...I'm sure those tech problems are now resolved.
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"So basicly J-11 is just Chinese assembled Su-27 (with all the Russian parts); J-11B is an upgraded Su-27/J-11 with more Chinese made parts; finally J-11BS is more like Chinese made (not just assembled) Su-30MKK (maybe more advanced). Coz at the end of the day Su-30MKK is just an upgraded Su-27 with 2-seater, right?"
No. Read this carefully, since the question has been asked quite a few times:
J-11 Original made with 100% Russian knock down kits.
J-11A Chinese airframe, Russian engine and avionics. Supposedly upgraded to be R-77 capable.
J-11B Fully domestic built with a Type 147X series radar, WS-10A. The only Russian item MIGHT be the IRST, which is rumored to be the one on the Su-30 instead of the original Su-27SK's.
J-11BS Chinese equivalent of the Su-30MK series. Fully domestic. I'm not sure about IRST.
No. Read this carefully, since the question has been asked quite a few times:
J-11 Original made with 100% Russian knock down kits.
J-11A Chinese airframe, Russian engine and avionics. Supposedly upgraded to be R-77 capable.
J-11B Fully domestic built with a Type 147X series radar, WS-10A. The only Russian item MIGHT be the IRST, which is rumored to be the one on the Su-30 instead of the original Su-27SK's.
J-11BS Chinese equivalent of the Su-30MK series. Fully domestic. I'm not sure about IRST.
It appears that the IRST on the J-11B might be Chinese. I think the whole plane has a stated and political goal of going all Chinese, regardless if some of the Russian equivalents of the parts might actually perform better.
The R-77 modification extends to all the J-11s including the ones on the kits. As a matter of fact, it seems that the last batch of Su-27UBK, which was all imported from Russia, were also upgraded with them.
Importation of OLS-31E (the Su-30 IRST) is likely for the J-11A. It is likely that this OLS model is standard on all J-11s including the ones in the kits.
Hard to define what is high or low mix.
If the J-11B flyaway costs well under 35 million (Su-30MK2 costs 37 million in 2004 dollars), J-10 around 24-25 million, and FC-1 is under 20 million. Does that really make much of a difference? We're not seeing a Toyota-Lexus relationship. Its more like Camry vs. Corolla vs. Yaris/Vios.
The R-77 modification extends to all the J-11s including the ones on the kits. As a matter of fact, it seems that the last batch of Su-27UBK, which was all imported from Russia, were also upgraded with them.
Importation of OLS-31E (the Su-30 IRST) is likely for the J-11A. It is likely that this OLS model is standard on all J-11s including the ones in the kits.
Hard to define what is high or low mix.
If the J-11B flyaway costs well under 35 million (Su-30MK2 costs 37 million in 2004 dollars), J-10 around 24-25 million, and FC-1 is under 20 million. Does that really make much of a difference? We're not seeing a Toyota-Lexus relationship. Its more like Camry vs. Corolla vs. Yaris/Vios.
he got that article for google news about the air force going to war with aging fighters jets.
not really. It was a variety of different combats. BVR and WVR. It's really not much a stretch to think J-10 can beat the earlier su-27 variants in BVR, because of its much superior avionics, radar and weapon system. The question has always been whether J-10 can beat J-11B given that they use similar generation avionics and weapon system. So, J-11B will get basically more processing power, more powerful radar + EW suite and such. J-10 does have some advantages like having far lower RCS than J-11B (let's not kid ourselves here, flankers are a humongous and is higher than the often talked about 10 m^2). And it also has better turn rates and supersonic performance (which helps since it gives greater energy to missiles at launch and also allow you to get into better position). I guess we will see when they match up against each other.
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OK Lets break this down in comparable aircrafts alright people. Now the comparable performance level of the J-10 is said to be like the the F-18F, and the J-11B is said to be comparable to the Su-30MKK2/3 forgot which one. Now in so basically in a hypothetical analyses its a F-18F vs Su-30MKK2/3 battle of superiority. Now as both aircrafts have its own ups and downs. It will take two sides of viewing for this. It would be good for the flanker fanatics to post their Su-30MKK2/3 specialities and advantages over the F-18F. And the other side of the post will be the hornet fanatics posting their F-18F knowledge and advantages over the Su-30MKK2/3. Now with this it will be combining these two to give a rough combat scenario of performance simularity to the J-10 and J-11B. I know it won't be accurate it will have many aspects of error. But hey its a start in unsolving the lethality of the J-10 if it was battling out in a air war
Oh well, I think that's what I meant... Anyway, thanks for clarify them in detials. I'm glad to see J-11BS will be the first fully domestic all round fighter in China.
Don't know if I'm just not getting your point, but seems useless to me. Because what sense is it to compare aircrafts when you base the results on another uncertain comparison. I mean where comes the conclusion from that a J-10 is comparable to an F-18F??
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the J-10 and the F-18F have the same speed of Mach !.8, but the J-10 is probably more manuverable with a g-limit of 9g, well the F-18F has a g-limit of +7.5g. the F-18F does have the same rate of clime as the J-10 with 50,000 ft/min.
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