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maozedong
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yes, I already said Ws10 use in J-11b better than in J-10 first,because J-11b is twin engine, if one engine of the plane dosn't work, the plane ( J-11b ) still fly, may reduce the dangerous.
however WS10 is still new, put it in large amount prodution that reqire very good technical quality. I said this in J10 thread # 47 page.
yes, I already said Ws10 use in J-11b better than in J-10 first,because J-11b is twin engine, if one engine of the plane dosn't work, the plane ( J-11b ) still fly, may reduce the dangerous.
however WS10 is still new, put it in large amount prodution that reqire very good technical quality. I said this in J10 thread # 47 page.
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This is not the J-11B cockpit. Most likely the back seat cockpit of some future twin-seated fighter.
I think we have J-11B cockpit photos in this thread somewhere.
And Mao, when you post pictures, please add comments as part of your post.
more decryptic message on China's aerospace news on the progress of SAC in 2006
one type of fighter finished mass production, this type of fighter's development and production draw a closing dot. Sounds like J-11A or maybe J-8F?
2 versions of a fighter has achieved design certification (J-11BS)and production delivery has set an excellent foundation. (J-11B and J-11BS?)
Some newly developed fighter has completed test part's production delivery, it is in the point of starting to assemble (J-11BS or J-11 naval?)
A fighter under research completed whole and parts formulation, starting to go into the prototyping stage? (4th generation fighter? UCAV?)
basically says,
one type of fighter finished mass production, this type of fighter's development and production draw a closing dot. Sounds like J-11A or maybe J-8F?
2 versions of a fighter has achieved design certification (J-11BS)and production delivery has set an excellent foundation. (J-11B and J-11BS?)
Some newly developed fighter has completed test part's production delivery, it is in the point of starting to assemble (J-11BS or J-11 naval?)
A fighter under research completed whole and parts formulation, starting to go into the prototyping stage? (4th generation fighter? UCAV?)
Pretty sure J-11A production ended last year. However, the lingo about "type" and "development" suggests that this particular sentence refers to the J-8F. There was a short seemingly farewell article on the J-8II on one of the government dailies recently.
The others should refer to the J-11B and J-11S. Sounds like they have begun serial production. Changing the J-8II line to a new J-11 line can boost production.
The others should refer to the J-11B and J-11S. Sounds like they have begun serial production. Changing the J-8II line to a new J-11 line can boost production.
kunmingren
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that depend on what you are going to do. If US is looking to bomb China back into the stoneage, than may be it would need 381 F-22, but if not, why having that many planes (which are ridiculously expensive, and i'd rather not pay for it unless the government actually use it on someone)
At this time it's prolly more cost-effective for the USAF to do high-low mix between F-22 and upgraded F-15's. At this point I seriously doubt the PLAAF J-11's are as advanced or battle-proven as the F-15 platform, which is being upgraded with AN/APG-63(v)3 AESA radar and JHMCS.
IMO the biggest strength of the USAF is in America's production capability. Despite all the hoopla about outsourcing manufacturing, the American defense industry can still output more advanced fighter planes than anyone else. So even if the PLAAF gains some measure of parity, the US can easily replace its losses while the PLAAF cannot.
The J-11/Su-27SK was a "stop gap" purchase, to catch up to other regional neighbors (Japan, Korea, Taiwan) and make PLAAF a more credible force. But compared to the latest western aircraft (F-15K/SG, F-16E/F), they're technically behind by quite a margin. We'll have to wait and see what the proposed upgrade (J-11B?) brings.
IMO the biggest strength of the USAF is in America's production capability. Despite all the hoopla about outsourcing manufacturing, the American defense industry can still output more advanced fighter planes than anyone else. So even if the PLAAF gains some measure of parity, the US can easily replace its losses while the PLAAF cannot.
The J-11/Su-27SK was a "stop gap" purchase, to catch up to other regional neighbors (Japan, Korea, Taiwan) and make PLAAF a more credible force. But compared to the latest western aircraft (F-15K/SG, F-16E/F), they're technically behind by quite a margin. We'll have to wait and see what the proposed upgrade (J-11B?) brings.
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