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A great video from the main engineer of the Taihang ws-10a engine. In the first bits of he, he blabs on about how important the project was to him and how he abandoned his wife and kids just for it etc etc..... But it got interesting from the middle onwards. where he said that 2 years ago, a serious technical malfunction happened during a test, which shows that this engine was in its final design stages >2 years ago and the development could have been slowed down by that technical malfunction. It also showed pictures of the J-11B in its yellow primer, which if anyone remembers, was posted on the WZ-10 thread (about 2 years) a while ago, because it showed a WZ-10 in the background. Now we know for certain that that aircraft IS the J-11A and it was in its final test stages 2 years ago.

Does anyone know if the WS-10a is TVC capable? because all of the pics i saw where not all of the same engine.

 

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Update : Some pics:

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WS-10a nozzles, do they look TVC capable?

 

[Deino]

Update : Some pics: WS-10a nozzles, do they look TVC capable?

Hmmm ... looks like a standard Su-27 with its dark-grey colour ... and for me nothing special about these nozzles ! ... I would say just a AL-31F !

.. just my 2 cents !

Deino

 

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Hmmm ... looks like a standard Su-27 with its dark-grey colour ... and for me nothing special about these nozzles ! ... I would say just a AL-31F !

.. just my 2 cents !

Deino

look close enough and you would find the 'strips' on the radome.

 

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I think you have accidentally misunderstood what was in the post. The "most" significant not saying it has but the most significant change from the J-11 "would" be having WS-10A turbofans fitted on the J-11B. Hybird control system for the engines yes and no. Speculated articles that personally don't seem reliable indicates China has incorporated some of its WS-10A with ADEC. As for TVC, next major step China should look into. Though we can't expect to highly, but we can at least logically and mathematically assume the engine is more capable than the AL-31 and in the class of F110-129 engines performance. All in all one thing is for certain it is more capable than the existing AL-31 turbofan engines equipped on the Su-27, Su-30, J-11, J-10. Though mass production of these WS-10A engines don't seem to be anytime time soon. Small production is set though.

If what you say it's true about the WS-10A engine having better performance than the AL-31s fitted on those planes you mentioned, what are some of the performance rating compared to the Russian engine such as thrust?

 

[Chengdu J-10]

If what you say it's true about the WS-10A engine having better performance than the AL-31s fitted on those planes you mentioned, what are some of the performance rating compared to the Russian engine such as thrust?

One Russian AL-31 on the PLAAF Su-27, Su-30, J-11, J-10 is rated at 123kN afterburner (12, 519kg), 89.43kN dry thrust (8, 101kg) and the WS-10A is rated at 129.45kN afterburner (13, 200kg), 89.17kN dry thrust (9, 095kg).

 

[crobato]

The stage appears set now. Wonder who will win a mock wargame, J-11B or J-10.

 

[Deino]

look close enough and you would find the 'strips' on the radome.

The picture abouve: YES .... but for the second one I don't know as the nozzle seems just like a standard AL-31 nozzle and not leke the one we have seen on the WS-10 testbed !

Deino

 

[Dongfeng]

I have been studying the 'J-11B photos' released on Internet recently.

I have a theory: the aircraft shown in the photo may not be J-11B, it is a variant fitted with a Chinese-made avionics, but still with old AL-31F engine.

So far I haven't heard any concrete evidence showing aircraft powered by WS-10A is in service. From the photo we can see this new J-11 variant is already in operational service, therefore it may still be fitted with AL-31F.

Still, a big step forward for the aircraft to be able to fire PL-12 and PL-8

 

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I have been studying the 'J-11B photos' released on Internet recently.

I have a theory: the aircraft shown in the photo may not be J-11B, it is a variant fitted with a Chinese-made avionics, but still with old AL-31F engine.

So far I haven't heard any concrete evidence showing aircraft powered by WS-10A is in service. From the photo we can see this new J-11 variant is already in operational service, therefore it may still be fitted with AL-31F.

Still, a big step forward for the aircraft to be able to fire PL-12 and PL-8

I'll have to agree. I had some doubts myself and I want to see a picture of the rear of the aircraft in good detail.