China Flanker thread

[mehdi]

That is not the end. I never heard heard that China will not sell the J-11B. Since the Chinese president is in Pakistan now we never know what deals are being done. I will stick by my point the future is ahead and anything can happen.

 

[maglomanic]

That is not the end. I never heard heard that China will not sell the J-11B. Since the Chinese president is in Pakistan now we never know what deals are being done. I will stick by my point the future is ahead and anything can happen.

Actually you should check interview of Air Chief Marshal of PAF who has specifically mentioned J-10 as counter to MKI (in terms of payload). I am sure PAF would go for a single engined aircraft that can take on MKI than a twin engined solution. The future possibilities for J-10 are also very promising and upgrade potential immense.

 

[mehdi]

The J-10 I saw the article mostly wild claims, perhaps to beef up the image of the Chinese fighter. In reality just claims I can accept that an upgraded version of the J-10 with TVC, AESA and the latest version of the PL-12 AAM can pose certain problems to an Indian Su-30MKI but the basic version as a COUNTER !!! just propaganda in favor of China. It has more to do with the China-Pakistan Big brother small brother scenario. As you recall Big Brother is always right and whatever he does is the best. lol

long live China-Pakistan

 

[Kilo636]

The J-10 I saw the article mostly wild claims, perhaps to beef up the image of the Chinese fighter. In reality just claims I can accept that an upgraded version of the J-10 with TVC, AESA and the latest version of the PL-12 AAM can pose certain problems to an Indian Su-30MKI but the basic version as a COUNTER !!! just propaganda in favor of China. It has more to do with the China-Pakistan Big brother small brother scenario. As you recall Big Brother is always right and whatever he does is the best. lol

long live China-Pakistan

Actually J-10 has a much more advanced aerodynamic than Su-27 series of aircraft. Even Su-30 MKI with thrust vector,J-10A with canard will be more than a match for Su-27 series of aircaft. If u noticed,J-10 aerodynamic is in the same league with Euro fighter and rafales with canard and delta wings.
As an air superiority fighter,J-10 will definitely better than Su-27 series while for multirole, a Su-30MKK and J-11B will serve better purposes with higher payload,range and more matured A2G system...

 

[mehdi]

Kilo636 I was referring to China's J-10A being used as a counter to India's Su-30MKI. As for the Su-27 being inferior to a J-10A that has to be seen. There was reports of a so called exercise in which Chinese Su-27 planes were pitted against the J-10A resulting in an overwhelming win by the J-10A. If you are referring to that can you back your claims.

 

[maglomanic]

The J-10 I saw the article mostly wild claims, perhaps to beef up the image of the Chinese fighter. In reality just claims I can accept that an upgraded version of the J-10 with TVC, AESA and the latest version of the PL-12 AAM can pose certain problems to an Indian Su-30MKI but the basic version as a COUNTER !!! just propaganda in favor of China. It has more to do with the China-Pakistan Big brother small brother scenario. As you recall Big Brother is always right and whatever he does is the best. lol

long live China-Pakistan

I am not bringing into this dicussion merits of that article which has been proved time and again faulty in it's many assertions here on this forum and many others.

What i was pointing to was PAF air cheif marshal's interview in which he said MKI has a good radar, good pay load and TVC. Now to counter TVC he mentioned HOBS/HMD combo. For radar he cited induction os AWACS that will render radars on aircraft secondary in the over all picture and finally for payload he mentioned J-10's capability to have more payload than F-16s.

So PAF does indeed think it can counter MKI with either what it has or will get in the form of J-10. We have been reading alot about TVC on J-10 and now even on FC-1.

This means that PAF does not need to look to J-11B for it's needs.

 

[maglomanic]

Kilo636 I was referring to China's J-10A being used as a counter to India's Su-30MKI. As for the Su-27 being inferior to a J-10A that has to be seen. There was reports of a so called exercise in which Chinese Su-27 planes were pitted against the J-10A resulting in an overwhelming win by the J-10A. If you are referring to that can you back your claims.

I don't think we have enough data to compare both these platforms as of now.
But then you are the one who is taking J-10 off the table when it comes to MKI. Do you have any data or source to back up your assertions that J-10 cannot for some reason match MKI's performance? And J-10 is continously in development so i don't know when you say J-10 A which one do you mean. There have been alot of speculationa nd even Jane's report on TVC equipped J-10. How would you compare that J-10 (3 D TVC) with MKI (2 D TVC)?? And i am sure you are talking in terms of WVR arena since you seem to be citing TVC as determintal factor for aircraft surpriority. How about the use of HOBS/HMD to counter that?

 

[mehdi]

maglomanic the phrase "Kilo636 I was referring to China's J-10A being used as a counter to India's Su-30MKI" is about your post of some Pakistani General.

Remember this:

"Actually you should check interview of Air Chief Marshal of PAF who has specifically mentioned J-10 as counter to MKI (in terms of payload)".

If I remember the payload of the Indian Su-30MKI is of 8 tonnes it means that the J-10 can carry up to more than 8 tonnes. You see my point

 

[maglomanic]

maglomanic the phrase "Kilo636 I was referring to China's J-10A being used as a counter to India's Su-30MKI" is about your post of some Pakistani General.

Remember this:

"Actually you should check interview of Air Chief Marshal of PAF who has specifically mentioned J-10 as counter to MKI (in terms of payload)".

If I remember the payload of the Indian Su-30MKI is of 8 tonnes it means that the J-10 can carry up to more than 8 tonnes. You see my point

It doesn't mean J-10 have to carry as much payload as Su-30 MKI. All that means is within the whole equation of strategic/tactical strike capability of PAF, J-10 can be used to counter MKI's payload advantage. That equation involves other factors like the distance to target, number of sorties and number of assets deployed and available. I am giving you a very higher level view just so that you can reconsider your 1-1 comparison approach to J-10/MKI discussion.

P.S: That wasn't Pakistani General. That was the Boss of PAF
Here is the link to interview:

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"Q. How can you compare F-16 and Su-30?

Ans. These aircraft can be compared in many ways. Su-30 MKI has powerful radar but it can be detected by the AEW&C systems and the F-16s will thus be aware of its presence. Apart from that both aircraft can carry latest weapon systems. Su-30 MKI has the capacity to carry heavy loads and more fuel but this can be countered with the help of AAR. In the same manner Chinese F-10A is also an excellent platform in countering this threat and can carry heavier loads than the F-16.
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[mehdi]

From the post I will have to ask you a simple question. What is the max load on the J-10A? I mean the weapons load. Secondly copying and pasting comments made by someone is easy. What's the version of the F-16 is he talking about the F-16C/D Block-52 or the F-16A/B MLU.