In the end, between su-33 and the J-15, the more important difference is going to be the kind of radar systems and other avionics that go in the aircraft. The airframes themselves might "look" alike but just because they look the same does not mean that they are the same internally.
China Flanker Thread II
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In the end, between su-33 and the J-15, the more important difference is going to be the kind of radar systems and other avionics that go in the aircraft. The airframes themselves might "look" alike but just because they look the same does not mean that they are the same internally.
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The key ingredient of Su-33 is the carrier-ready modification to the basic Su-27 design, borne from the same root means they got to look alike, and being the first generation design attempt the interior would be very similar too, that's unavoidable. The prototype China obtained from Ukraine gives hint to what the Russian obviously won't want China to learn...well, eventually China might crack the secret to carrier-borne aircrafts, but it'd take a long time if without outside help.
Clearly though, China's can get a upper hand in terms of avionics and even some adoption of composite materials - Russia's only got the budget to revamp its arsenals in the recent years. But overall China is still behind Russia, especially when comes to engines - China still can't produce good aircraft engines on par with the Russians', which in respect inferior than the western blocs' that leads the world.
Clearly though, China's can get a upper hand in terms of avionics and even some adoption of composite materials - Russia's only got the budget to revamp its arsenals in the recent years. But overall China is still behind Russia, especially when comes to engines - China still can't produce good aircraft engines on par with the Russians', which in respect inferior than the western blocs' that leads the world.
Hopefully the experience gained from cooperation with western engine suppliers on the civilian aviation programs will be vital in providing necessary knowhow to accelerate the domestic engine programs.
Yeah, not much to defend here. At least with J-11B they had the licence production agreement in place, but with J-15 they don't even have that. Oh well, can't expect much from Shenyang. Clearly, their goal is to make functional aircraft in the fastest and easiest way possible.
j11要改前机身和进气道，出一种隐身型
- 航空报今天报道
今年上半年，沈阳所实现了时间过半、经营指标任务完成过半，重点型号研制工作向前推进了一大步。所长赵民号召，全体员工要继续发扬连续作战的优良传统，坚 定信心，采取多种有效措施，再坚持、再努力、再拼搏，为全面完成下半年的科研型号工作目标贡献力量。
会议表彰了7个“攻坚先锋” 团队和 41名 “攻坚先锋”。在“先锋杯”劳动竞赛中，全所科技人员秉承一贯的拼搏奉献精神，铸就团队梦想，为荣誉和胜利而战。总师系统精心指挥，各主管副总师对图纸质 量严格把关，对于可能存在的技术隐患及时给出明确意见，消除每一个可能影响飞机质量的设计问题；各部部长随时跟踪发图进度，及时了解发图过程中存在的困难 并予以解决，副部长承担图纸的审校工作，与设计员一起奋战在发图第一线；老职工充分发挥传帮带精神，不仅将自己的图纸保质保量完成，还不遗余力地指导年轻 人；年轻人勤奋好学，敢于承担重任，圆满完成了自己承担的设计工作，同时专业素养得到了快速提升、知识面得到扩展。
结构部前机身与进气道室面临着协调问题复杂、结构变化大等难题。他们结合前机身与进气道结构设计工作特点，组织清理IPT技术状态，制定相应质量 保证措施，贯穿设计各阶段，从多方面加大过程质量监控力度。电气控制室有三张线束图十分复杂，涉及到12份接线图，图纸长达六七米，设计难度很大。张美霞 等3人积极协调，认真规划，出色地完成了此三张线束图累计600余A4发图工作。在某型飞机检测设备排故中，飞行控制部共产党员靳方留发着高烧仍在加班奋 战，每晚都工作到凌晨，及时排除了故障。共产党员赵冠成是2008年入所的新人，他参与了某型飞机自动飞行控制系统的各项试验工作，虽然爱人身怀六甲急需 照顾，但他一直坚守在试验现场，分析处理相关各项试验问题，保证系统试验按节点顺利完成。
针对下半年工作，沈阳所所长赵民提出要继续瞄准飞机发图重点工作目标，克服设计技术工作的不确定性及工作量等因素，誓保节点；要抓好计划的管理与 调整，全所一盘棋，平衡推进各个项目；要抓好航空产品的设计、生产和交付工作；要继续开展好质量安全的相关工作，做好质量安全整顿和“五查五看”等工 作。（窦连
was J-11 undergoing redesign? (nose and airintake)or new aircraft?
- 航空报今天报道
今年上半年，沈阳所实现了时间过半、经营指标任务完成过半，重点型号研制工作向前推进了一大步。所长赵民号召，全体员工要继续发扬连续作战的优良传统，坚 定信心，采取多种有效措施，再坚持、再努力、再拼搏，为全面完成下半年的科研型号工作目标贡献力量。
会议表彰了7个“攻坚先锋” 团队和 41名 “攻坚先锋”。在“先锋杯”劳动竞赛中，全所科技人员秉承一贯的拼搏奉献精神，铸就团队梦想，为荣誉和胜利而战。总师系统精心指挥，各主管副总师对图纸质 量严格把关，对于可能存在的技术隐患及时给出明确意见，消除每一个可能影响飞机质量的设计问题；各部部长随时跟踪发图进度，及时了解发图过程中存在的困难 并予以解决，副部长承担图纸的审校工作，与设计员一起奋战在发图第一线；老职工充分发挥传帮带精神，不仅将自己的图纸保质保量完成，还不遗余力地指导年轻 人；年轻人勤奋好学，敢于承担重任，圆满完成了自己承担的设计工作，同时专业素养得到了快速提升、知识面得到扩展。
结构部前机身与进气道室面临着协调问题复杂、结构变化大等难题。他们结合前机身与进气道结构设计工作特点，组织清理IPT技术状态，制定相应质量 保证措施，贯穿设计各阶段，从多方面加大过程质量监控力度。电气控制室有三张线束图十分复杂，涉及到12份接线图，图纸长达六七米，设计难度很大。张美霞 等3人积极协调，认真规划，出色地完成了此三张线束图累计600余A4发图工作。在某型飞机检测设备排故中，飞行控制部共产党员靳方留发着高烧仍在加班奋 战，每晚都工作到凌晨，及时排除了故障。共产党员赵冠成是2008年入所的新人，他参与了某型飞机自动飞行控制系统的各项试验工作，虽然爱人身怀六甲急需 照顾，但他一直坚守在试验现场，分析处理相关各项试验问题，保证系统试验按节点顺利完成。
针对下半年工作，沈阳所所长赵民提出要继续瞄准飞机发图重点工作目标，克服设计技术工作的不确定性及工作量等因素，誓保节点；要抓好计划的管理与 调整，全所一盘棋，平衡推进各个项目；要抓好航空产品的设计、生产和交付工作；要继续开展好质量安全的相关工作，做好质量安全整顿和“五查五看”等工 作。（窦连
was J-11 undergoing redesign? (nose and airintake)or new aircraft?
Carrier?
which is strange, considering the current status of china´s aircraft carrier program. There is no signal of carrier construction in shipyards, and varyag refitting is virtually stopped.
which is strange, considering the current status of china´s aircraft carrier program. There is no signal of carrier construction in shipyards, and varyag refitting is virtually stopped.
cloyce
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Russia is not member of WTO
Sukhoi is worried by the perceived Chinese competition/copying of Russian aircrafts but I doubt that the Russian government will file complaints any time soon. The Russian arms market is one of Russia's most important sources of income and losing the Chinese market (after they've learned the secrets of the flankers, no less) is going to hurt the Russian aviation industry much more than a few "unlicensed" planes.
Might as well as get some experience with carrier based planes before the carriers are ready. Let's say that you are making a chair but didn't know how to build the legs. That shouldn't stop you from using the time and money to make the table top before you finally have the know hows to make the legs.
The Russian Market has already lose the Chinese military market but bilateral ties are still strong and commercial dependant on each other are still important.
Russian authority may close one eye on military areas as commercial economic benefit outweight militaries industries. Plus Putin is very pro-Chinese. He knows keeping China as close allies is important to check USA.
He decided to risk the woes of Indian by approving RD-93 engines to China and continue selling of AL-31F engines.
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