China Flanker Thread II

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dingyibvs

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Semi-Lobster said:
Other than the Type 59/62 there were a few other types of tanks in PLA service, the Type 69/79 and the Type 88 but their numbers were always quite limited and calling them a different 'tier' from the Type 59Ds is a bit much, especially since tanks are usually compared by weight and they are all generally in the same weight category. More 'elite units' were equipped with 'newer' tanks though. So you can argue either way. The type 96 and Type 99 is a bit more explicit distinction since I've read in several different places over the years that the PLA has no intention of re-equiping all of its tank units with Type 99s
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Umm...thanks. I don't want to venture further off topic, but if the numbers on this site(~200 T-99's) is correct, then I think that's way too few either way.
 
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Orthan said:
Not so sure about this. It could be that china is still having a lot of difficulty in mass manufacturing those items (indigenous turbofan anyone?). Creating in laboratory is one thing. Mass producing is another.
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I would bet on the cost of production as the primary factor for not producing more units, quality control is probably the second one, after that comes the production capacity.

Please remember China spends less than 2% of GDP on defense (SIPRI estimation), the figure is almost 5% for US (including the war bill).
 
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Flight Global said:
FARNBOROUGH: Russia shrugs off Chinese Su-33 copy

By Siva Govindasamy

Russia's Sukhoi Aircraft says that it is unable to do anything to stop China from testing and manufacturing a copy of its Su-33 carrier-based fighter.

Beijing was keen to buy several dozen Su-33s earlier this decade as part of its plans to develop a deep-sea naval capability, but the deal never went through.

Instead, industry sources believe that it bought a Su-33 prototype from Ukraine and started using that as a prototype for its development, which has been tagged the Shenyang J-15. The first flight of the aircraft is believed to have taken place in June.

"There are licence agreements in place when countries buy our aircraft and it is illegal to produce a copy of it without getting our agreement," says Sukhoi's chief executive Mikhail Pogosyan. He adds that his company has "intelligence" about the Chinese aircraft, but says that there is little that can be done.

"We are always looking very carefully at what the competition is doing. What I can stress is that no copy is equal to the original, it will always be inferior to the original product. They do not have the technological capabilities that we have."

China, which used to depend on Russia for many of its military requirements, is going ahead with various programmes to develop indigenous aircraft that bear a close resemblance to its former supplier's products. It is also keen to become a supplier and potentially compete with Russia in the market, especially in the third world.

"We always welcome competition, even if it is not righteous competition, and we respect it," says Pogosyan. "But I am 100% sure that we have the products that will have an edge and a market."
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Wow, I expect a much higher degree of professionalism from Flight Global than this junk. We've all heard Sukhoi complaining before but one trend I find in the reporting is that it is extremely one sided. I know nobody in Shenyang would say anything upfront about these accusations but its very annoying that we only ever get a Russian attack on China's aviation industry and never a defence.
 
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ZTZ99

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Semi-Lobster said:
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Wow, I expect a much higher degree of professionalism from Flight Global than this junk. We've all heard Sukhoi complaining before but one trend I find in the reporting is that it is extremely one sided. I know nobody in Shenyang would say anything upfront about these accusations but its very annoying that we only ever get a Russian attack on China's aviation industry and never a defence.
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What is there to defend, exactly? This Sukhoi official unambiguously states China has violated license agreements by copying the Su-series. That's about as direct a statement as we've had from somebody who's actually in the know. Shenyang officials wouldn't say anything upfront because there's really nothing to say. Kinda like Blago deciding not to get on the witness stand at his own trial.
 
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terrorhunter

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the Chinese probably arent saying anything probably because they simlpy dont care. complain as they want truth be told no one's really gonna do anything about it. China's just gonna go ahead and continue developing their own stuff while the Russians are just gonna keep complaining. nothing you can do about it.
 
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ZTZ99

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terrorhunter said:
the Chinese probably arent saying anything probably because they simlpy dont care. complain as they want truth be told no one's really gonna do anything about it. China's just gonna go ahead and continue developing their own stuff while the Russians are just gonna keep complaining. nothing you can do about it.
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You mean developing Sukhoi's stuff. Yes, they will.
 
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