That's probably why he's complaining--there's simply nothing else he can do. China is most likely never gonna buy another Sukhoi aircraft, so it's pretty safe for him to mouth off now that China has turned from client to competition.
China Flanker Thread II
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That's probably why he's complaining--there's simply nothing else he can do. China is most likely never gonna buy another Sukhoi aircraft, so it's pretty safe for him to mouth off now that China has turned from client to competition.
terrorhunter
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i dont believe the J-10 or FC-1 had anything to do with Sukhoi
No, they do not. But here we are in the Flanker thread.
terrorhunter
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haha my apologies. anyway the way i see it the Russians are making so much noise now is because they realise that the Chinese are becoming serious competitors in the international market and their market niche is being invaded into. unless the Russian economy inproves and they can pump more money into the industry there's really nothing they can do about it
Quickie
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China bought the Su-33 prototype directly from Ukraine. So, Ukraine should have a say on the issue, not Russia. Russia should deal with Ukraine if they have any issues with it. (Having said that, all this is assuming what was said in the above article was true.)
I agree that the way the Sukhoi official put his words was very close to downright accusations but it always ended up ambiguous. In the end, he always never directly accused China of anything illegal but instead said, like in this instance, there's nothing they can do. Nonetheless, the end result was China got bashed.
Here's a comment on the issue from another Russian official who sounded much more professional.
July 19, 2010 18:06
Russia has no questions to China about “copying” military equipment
FARNBOROUGH. July 19 (Interfax-AVN) - China is using Russian and Soviet know-how to develop and build aircraft, Alexander Fomin, first deputy head of the Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service, said at a news conference at the Farnborough air show.
"It is an accomplished fact. China is vigorously developing its defense industry, not without Russia's assistance, of course," he said.
The Soviet Union built about 3,000 enterprises, while Russia handed China licenses to make aircraft and components," he said.
"We handed over a large amount of know-how to China, including information related to the defense industry. It is not surprising that it repeats itself in Chinese products," he said.
Asked whether China has developed a fighter jet which it claims excels Russia's Sukhoi Su-33, Fomin said, "I can neither confirm, nor deny this."
"Concerning the Su-33, Russia did not deliver such planes to China. If our Chinese partners have them, they were not received from Russian sources," he said.
Fomin said Russia has no questions to China so far. "We have an agreement on the protection of intellectual property rights. If we uncover copyright violations, we will deal with this within the framework of the agreement," Fomin said.
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Quickie
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"We are always looking very carefully at what the competition is doing. What I can stress is that no copy is equal to the original, it will always be inferior to the original product. They do not have the technological capabilities that we have."
Not necessarily so. Just look at the crash record of F-7 and Mig-21 (of the neighbouring country.)
Not necessarily so. Just look at the crash record of F-7 and Mig-21 (of the neighbouring country.)
bladerunner
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Not necessarily so. Just look at the crash record of F-7 and Mig-21 (of the neighbouring country.)
I think its too complex an issue to make direct comparisons
However according to the writer of this article @
The loss rate of the MiG 21 is in no way worse than any similar fighter of its genre and better than most.
Quickie
Colonel
Hmm... I haven't read the article.
Don't take that comment seriously.
(The smilie in that comment means just that!)I agree that one can't make direct inferences like that, especially from different systems and era.
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Engineer
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"We are always looking very carefully at what the competition is doing. What I can stress is that no copy is equal to the original, it will always be inferior to the original product. They do not have the technological capabilities that we have."
Not necessarily so. Just look at the crash record of F-7 and Mig-21 (of the neighbouring country.)
That guy obviously never copied assignments while he was in school. The copier usually gets a higher mark in the assignments than the copied.
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