China Flanker Thread II

[rhino123]

Oh....I sure hope this J-11C/D is not just another name for SAC Su-35 mod.

Huh? How could it be a Su-35 mod when China don't even have a Su-35 to start with. I believe if that article is accurate, it would be a J-11B on steriod. Maybe they would change the engines of the J-11B with the WS-15 giving it supercruise capability, AESA radar, etc etc. And if possible, they might add some stealthy features to the J-11B and add LERX.

 

[plawolf]

Would PLAAF even be interested in a stealthy flanker?

Rumours say PLANAF chose J-20 for their new carrier 5th gen fighter, so J-31 lost a big potential customer. PLAAF could have had a role for J-31 as their own F-35, but maybe they're looking at the USAF procurement model and thinking it's not for them?

So will a J-11D (or C -- are they the same aircraft, or are SAC going to try and pump out another two flanker derivatives??) be used to supplement the J-20? I.e.: J-20 will be the PLAAF's A team for their heavy weight, long range air superiority fighter with J-11C/D as a plane with similar range but less stealth (thus avoiding the USAF debacle where they will soon lack a large number of heavy weight fighters once F-15s start retiring).


Is there any muttering as to whether this is a PLAAF sponsored project, or if it is another lone wolf SAC endeavour.

The PLAAF has little need for the J31, more J20s would be a far better use of resources, and they can use J10Bs and J11Bs to make up the numbers while relying on stealth UCAVs and the rumoured flying wing stealth bomber for first say of war strike missions, with JH7s, Su30s and maybe J16s acting as bomb trucks once the stealths have smashed an enemy's AD network.

There is simply no justification to go all stealth, especially with the costs and difficulties involved in doing so, as the USAF is finding out at its cost.

If the PLANAF is also going with the J20 for their future carrier stealth, then the J31 is pretty much finished IMO. SAC simply doesn't have the financial muscle to finish development on it by themselves, and with no PLA interest, the odds of it getting enough orders to recoup that investment is pretty small even if SAC has the cash to see the project through.

 

[no_name]

Huh? How could it be a Su-35 mod when China don't even have a Su-35 to start with. I believe if that article is accurate, it would be a J-11B on steriod. Maybe they would change the engines of the J-11B with the WS-15 giving it supercruise capability, AESA radar, etc etc. And if possible, they might add some stealthy features to the J-11B and add LERX.

Well, they may start by getting some Su-35. Then made 'some changes' and call it J-11D.

Or J-11D is a project designed to give the PLAAF the same abilities they would have got by buying the Su-35 and some more.

 

[Equation]

Well, they may start by getting some Su-35. Then made 'some changes' and call it J-11D.

Or J-11D is a project designed to give the PLAAF the same abilities they would have got by buying the Su-35 and some more.

Why would they, the J-11 is working just fine? And it can be use as the base model for their stealth flanker.

 

[plawolf]

Well, they may start by getting some Su-35. Then made 'some changes' and call it J-11D.

Or J-11D is a project designed to give the PLAAF the same abilities they would have got by buying the Su-35 and some more.

If the prototype is supposed to fly in 2014, its pretty clear that this J11D has nothing to do with cloning the Su35. Although it is possible SAC got Su35 performance characteristics to benchmark the design, and maybe their attempt to get those performance figures was where all the Chinese Su35 buy rumours came from.

 

[rhino123]

Well, they may start by getting some Su-35. Then made 'some changes' and call it J-11D.

Oh god... no... why does this have to come up every now and then... THERE IS NO SALES. NO. ZERO. NO DEAL.

It was confirmed by both Russian and Chinese. There are no sales of the Su-35 from Russia to China. Unless there is official acknowledgement that no one except you, know of, then there is no Su-35 in China.

Finally, like what someone had mentioned, the stated flight is on 2014... so the timeline doesn't match... even if the deal is signed (which they are not), the Su-35 will not be deliver that early for the Chinese to tear apart, study, make changes and fly.

Plus, with current Chinese capability, I am pretty certain that they DO NOT need to do all those crap such as modifying existing airframe and electronic of foreign aircrafts... they can make their own, jeez.

 

[thunderchief]

The PLAAF has little need for the J31, more J20s would be a far better use of resources, and they can use J10Bs and J11Bs to make up the numbers while relying on stealth UCAVs and the rumoured flying wing stealth bomber for first say of war strike missions, with JH7s, Su30s and maybe J16s acting as bomb trucks once the stealths have smashed an enemy's AD network.

That would depend a lot on enemy capabilities and tactics . Everyone expects that stealth fighters and UCAVs would knock-down AD network and SAMs in first few days of the war . In reality , enemy may choose to conserve its strength and mask its positions , waiting for that second wave of less sophisticated fighters to start war of attrition .

In my opinion , from 2025. onward in a conflict against any relatively modern opponent 4th gen fighters would increasingly have to rely on stand-off weapons to survive .

 

[hardware]

few months ago,picture appear in the internet showing SAC workshop constructing a unknown aircraft.could that be the aircraft?

 

[SinoSoldier]

The PLAAF has little need for the J31, more J20s would be a far better use of resources, and they can use J10Bs and J11Bs to make up the numbers while relying on stealth UCAVs and the rumoured flying wing stealth bomber for first say of war strike missions, with JH7s, Su30s and maybe J16s acting as bomb trucks once the stealths have smashed an enemy's AD network.

There is simply no justification to go all stealth, especially with the costs and difficulties involved in doing so, as the USAF is finding out at its cost.

If the PLANAF is also going with the J20 for their future carrier stealth, then the J31 is pretty much finished IMO. SAC simply doesn't have the financial muscle to finish development on it by themselves, and with no PLA interest, the odds of it getting enough orders to recoup that investment is pretty small even if SAC has the cash to see the project through.

The J-31 still has chances of being a good replacement for the J-7/Q-5 in the PLAAF and its export prospects aren't exactly nonexistent either. The J-20 would be extremely expensive to produce and as far as the PLAAF is concerned it cannot hold heavy weaponry.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Well, they may start by getting some Su-35. Then made 'some changes' and call it J-11D.

Or J-11D is a project designed to give the PLAAF the same abilities they would have got by buying the Su-35 and some more.

That would be useless. China already has similar technologies on its older heavy fighters and a superior radar as well; any upgrade over that would definitely be aiming to exploit the weaknesses of upper-generation fighters, i.e. the F-22.