China Flanker Thread II

[MiG-29]

Why would they, the J-11 is working just fine? And it can be use as the base model for their stealth flanker.

it is unlikely SU-27/J-11 can be used for a stealth fighter, they could try to go for a F-18E type, however Su-27 has already achieved its max design potential, the only thing you can do now is just add better engines or avionics and build it with more composite materials, perhaps add a radar blocker, but if the Chinese are serious about a new J-11 variant super flanker, i think they will make a Su-30MKI type aircraft or a Su-35 with canards, since they can build Su-33/J-15.

The Flanker today can only be adapted to supercruise, supermaneouvrability, AESA radars and more composites.

Under these circumstances i guess it could be like MiG-23MLD was in the 1980s versus F-16 or F-15 and i mean Su-35 versus F-22 and F-35 kind of analogy in few words close but not yet but still a threat

 

[Blitzo]

The J-31 still has chances of being a good replacement for the J-7/Q-5 in the PLAAF and its export prospects aren't exactly nonexistent either. The J-20 would be extremely expensive to produce and as far as the PLAAF is concerned it cannot hold heavy weaponry.

I doubt PLAAF will replace J-7s and Q-5s with a stealthy aircraft, probably more via UCAVs or a JL-15 mod.
J-20 can't hold heavy weaponry internally but nor can J-31 or a hypothetical J-11D.

No one outside of china has the money to fund J-31s development. Given J-31 was supposedly rejected by PLANAF as the new carrier fighter, I think J-31 will only ever serve as an SAC tech demonstrator

 

[siegecrossbow]

Now CJDBY's official blog is claiming that the J-11D will simply be J-11B with avionics upgrade. Those guys need to stop flipflopping so much.

 

[rhino123]

Now CJDBY's official blog is claiming that the J-11D will simply be J-11B with avionics upgrade. Those guys need to stop flipflopping so much.

Actually it make sense. I think SAC is already working on the J-16 which is the beefed up version of the J-11B, there is really no need for a J-11D. I think J-11D at the most would be used to replace the J-11 and older Su-27 that China had.

 

[no_name]

It's like all those J-8 variants again. I hopt they come up with a new design in due time. Sometimes I wonder whether SAC just sticks with a well understood airframe to use as workhorse while CAC is allow to experiment more radical designs.

 

[rhino123]

It's like all those J-8 variants again. I hopt they come up with a new design in due time. Sometimes I wonder whether SAC just sticks with a well understood airframe to use as workhorse while CAC is allow to experiment more radical designs.

Well... it might derive from different management styles of companies. Some would go for the 'safer' gradual modification of proven designs, other would go for innovation and completely new design. Both had their good and bad. For the gradual updates and modification of proven designs, there will be less risk of the entire project being jeopardise and there is an old saying, "there is no need to reinvent the wheel." I would add, "just add some modification into the wheel and make it last longer, turn faster, go further."

The second model is more risky, and frankly there might be circumstances that the entire project will be killed... and frankly from what I see, the cost would also be higher. But in return, there will be less issues like patent conflict as oppose to the first model and also technologically the company using the second model might achieve more and had better standing finally, it can also attract or able to sell their product in the market rather than catering it for their own domestic market (which can be very limiting).

 

[no_name]

I guess it's good that China has both models. They are like two legs to stand and walk on. Tries to keep up with the best, but have tried and ready machines to fall back on.

 

[ladioussupp]

Tail hook of J-15. The profile of rod is not round but rectangle.

 

[SinoSoldier]

¦^��: China Flanker Thread II

Update:

J-11D is based off the J-16, and will feature stealth characteristics of J-21. It will be based on the radar and flight control system of the J-16.

 

[Blitzo]

Good god, it's that infamous photo again... It was first thought to depict J-15, then J-31, now this J-11D. I mean the original picture could be unrelated to any of those projects of course, but its association with so many SAC projects is amusing.

I wonder what this J-11D means for the supposed AESA equipped J-11B.