China Flanker Thread II

[challenge]

Why would they still be interested in the MIG-23 from the Iraqis, they already got 6 from the Egyptians during the 70s.

the egyptian MIG-23 is much earlier version,while the iraqi I persume may be late version-possible MIG-23mld.
as MIG-29 begin to enter service,soviet start to shipped some of the late version to iraq.

 

[optionsss]

I was unaware that the Iraqis got any MiG-23MLDs during the war. I knew some of their MiG-23 were send to Yugoslavia to upgrades at the start, but most of them did not return in time for the war.

It's only after 1982 did Iraqis received any MiG-23MF/ML. Initially, all they had were MS and BN variants.

 

[challenge]

I was unaware that the Iraqis got any MiG-23MLDs during the war. I knew some of their MiG-23 were send to Yugoslavia to upgrades at the start, but most of them did not return in time for the war.

It's only after 1982 did Iraqis received any MiG-23MF/ML. Initially, all they had were MS and BN variants.

according to article posted in wmf, China is interest in Mig-23 swing wing mechanism,but found it obsolete,as for the AWG-9 radar, the iranian withhold a lot of hardware and information,it is possible, the iranian worry that China may pass the data to the iraqi.

 

[tphuang]

in an interview with the dean of Chinese academy of engineering, we find out that J-11B will appear in the 60th anniversary parade

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more important, we are told that some J-11Bs are using WS-10A whereas the majority are using AL-31F.

also not in this page, but someone who saw the interview also said that the interviewed person said some J-10s are using WS-10A.

 

[maya]

in an interview with the dean of Chinese academy of engineering, we find out that J-11B will appear in the 60th anniversary parade

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more important, we are told that some J-11Bs are using WS-10A whereas the majority are using AL-31F.

also not in this page, but someone who saw the interview also said that the interviewed person said some J-10s are using WS-10A.

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[Ambivalent]

The USAF, through a private party, is obtaining a pair of SU-27's from the Ukraine for aggressor training. I'm sure the price paid for these will buy some natural gas at the new higher prices from Russia :-o . They can add these to the collection of Russian fighters they already have in the "Petting Zoo", after flying the wings off them and evaluating them thoroughly.

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[pla101prc]

in an interview with the dean of Chinese academy of engineering, we find out that J-11B will appear in the 60th anniversary parade

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more important, we are told that some J-11Bs are using WS-10A whereas the majority are using AL-31F.

also not in this page, but someone who saw the interview also said that the interviewed person said some J-10s are using WS-10A.

testing purposes or for real?

 

[Maggern]

The USAF, through a private party, is obtaining a pair of SU-27's from the Ukraine for aggressor training. I'm sure the price paid for these will buy some natural gas at the new higher prices from Russia :-o . They can add these to the collection of Russian fighters they already have in the "Petting Zoo", after flying the wings off them and evaluating them thoroughly.

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Might I enquire as to how this relates to Chinese flanker projects? Thank God the Chinese has changed a whole bunch of stuff on most Russian fighters they've bought over the years, especially the old Su-27s, which are close to being phased out..

 

[FugitiveVisions]

Looks like China is finally going to be using WS-10a. I know they have tested the engine on a small number of aircraft, but I was never convinced it was being used full scale on the J-11B.

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F-11B aircraft in China will no longer use the Russian-made engine

China's F-11B is at a critical period, that is, its "domestic" version of the Soviet Union known as outsiders -27 integration of the new F-11B propulsion system, radar and weapons systems. These efforts a symbol of Beijing is working to develop its aerospace industry to adapt to the new 21st century revolution in military affairs. If the production of J-11B program to be successful, will be China's People's Liberation Army Air Force and the defense industry with an unprecedented ability to sign.
China's military is to re-adjust the balance of quantity and quality and that the latter would be the scope of access to regional military superiority and related industries to ensure that advantage. At the same time, Beijing and Moscow will take place between the delicate relationship between the changes in China will result of their ability to become more self-confidence.
In addition to F-11B, China's military industries have begun to produce a variety of precision-guided weapons and thus to develop new tactics and strategies, in addition, concerned about the content of the outside world will also include high-precision satellite navigation system (Beidou system) and various non - people (Machine) platform. the development of F-11B program can also serve in the People's Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27 series aircraft to improve performance.
China's air show, the first time in the Taihang engine, turbofan engine such as the Su-27 series aircraft power, it also referred to as WS10A. May be a few F-11B aircraft is being tested, including at least one has been installed a WS10A engine.
The first time Beijing and Moscow reached an agreement to sell to the Chinese Su-27 in 1991, 1996 and signed in accordance with a permit in the local production of the contract. This will not only provide advanced Chinese fighter planes at the same time to enhance China's military manufacturing industry. No. a local assembly of the F-11A was completed in 1998. In the F-11A is still installed on the Russian engines, radar and weapons and equipment.
Taihang engine development has been going on for nearly 20 years, a senior official of the China National Aero-Engine. He admitted that the scheme is very challenging, "We developed the engine to overcome the difficulties." This also shows that the Chinese F-11B aircraft will most likely no longer made use of Russian aviation engine, the F-11B program also includes the integration of self-developed planar slot array pulse Doppler radar to replace the Russian N001卡塞格伦雷达, at least two versions. is considered an F-11B's seems to indicate that the aircraft radar aircraft equipped with different covers, different from the basic models of the Su-27. The provision of more effective space, and its power should be greater than the N001 radar.
Associated with the F-11B project also Luoyang PL-12 active radar-guided medium-range air-to-air missile. The Chinese air force's Su-27 has been equipped with the Russian R77, PL-12 export-oriented than the R77 has the scope of operations. But the company The officials also avoided the discussion of the PL-12 topic. PL-12 The final stage of the development of the test appears to have been successfully completed, with at least near the missile into service. It will also be used for fighter aircraft Improvement II Series Chengdu Jian-10 has been able to mount PL12.
PL-12 has also benefited from Russian technology, including the provision of Moscow and the inertial guidance system seeker. AGAT 9B-1103M active radar seeker is a modified PL12 options. That is R-77 Seeker early models, but seems to have been sold to China.
People's Liberation Army Air Force currently has two active portfolio of medium-range air-to-air missile, in addition to -27 on the Soviet Union R-77 portfolio, the successful integration of the PL-12 F-11B will provide a more powerful People's Liberation Army Air Force's air superiority fighter.
PL-12
China is to fill the relevant gaps in tactical weapons and to strengthen this capability to support the export of its combat aircraft will be able to mount precision-guided weapons. Displayed for a few sets of unprecedented tactical air-launched weapon systems. Luoyang -2 exhibited Thunder laser-guided bombs, and Lei Shi -6 placed precision-guided bomb with the glide. China Aerospace Science and Technology Group and the disclosure of the FT-1 FT-3 family of satellite-guided weapons. both of which are export products, intended to tie in with the FC-1 light fighter to include such a demand for Pakistan exports.




It would be helpful if someone could translate the original since google translate can be deceptive sometimes.

This is commentary, not reporting. The only reporting the author uses is an uncited quote from 'an official inside the aircraft engine business' that claims they have overcame the main hurdle related to the engine. The author then goes on to justifiably or unjustifiably conclude that this means no more Russian engines will be used on the J-11B.

 

[Engineer]

Could people please stop using online translation tools?