i just read this article, it looks pretty badly written actually. It doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.
btw, when we get enough authentic source showing that J-11B is using WS-10A solely, you will know about it.
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btw, when we get enough authentic source showing that J-11B is using WS-10A solely, you will know about it.
Engineer
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It is simple: ask someone on the forum to translate it for you. We have quite a few members who are well versed in Chinese. The last thing you should do is post a wall of text consisted of gibberish.
Actually I think the google translator has done a pretty decent job albeit some grammatical errors.
There are a few foibles:
1. J-11Bs seem to have been equipped with two different types of radars, and thanks to bigger space in the redisigned nose of the planes, the radars are more powerful than Russia-made N001.
2. The laser-guided bombs exhibited in Luoyang(central China) is named LeiTing(thunderbolt)-2, and the precision-guided glide bomb concerned is named LeiShi(thunderstone)-6 .
Ambivalent
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虽然现在 4代机还没下线，但是，它的技术已经在不断的使用了。怎么讲？没下线，怎么使用？我们的10号有了更好的雷达。超10。雷达的作用距离超过200公里。引导数量，控制，指挥，干扰，共享，测绘等功能有了极大的提升。所以说此10已非彼10了。当然此11也非老11了。
小步快跑是我们一贯的原则。
海军方面，大家最关心的就是我们官方口中的那个的超大型水面舰船，呵呵。
所有人都想知道我们的那个船到底是什么样，今天就发给大家看看。
哈哈这个可是全世界唯一，首次披露，大家是有眼福了。
这个是拖弋模型，扣过来的，做底面线型处理阶段，做好后，可以下水做流体力学测试。也就是测试这个船型的适航性能，抗波性，以及船底声纳的布置是否合理。等等。
具体的我不大懂，也不方便问。。。。。总之我们的航母是集众家所长。。。。。
弹射起飞。2个弹射位，2个升降机，2个弹药提升口。整个这个船吨位大概在6以上。现在飞机的选型已经确定3个型号的飞机上船，估计还得增加一种。。。。。。现在大家都在争这最后的蛋糕。。。。因为这个船会造不止2艘以上。所以飞机还是有不少定单可以做的。。。。。
陆军方面。
新坦克已经做出原型样车。测试也已经开始了。从北到南逐步进行。。。。。发动机还是以柴油机为动力。。当然离不开德国的技术。。。火炮，已经是天下无敌。。。。。。主要是以对付贫铀装甲为目标研制的。这次的进步主要体现在全车的自动化方面，火控系统和观瞄系统，以及车际信息共享和指挥控制方面进步很大。不过很多先进的零部件还是进口的，我们和以色列关系不错。
甚至里面有意大利的东西。德国豹2我们已经研究透了。。。。。性能上已经完全达到豹2的最新改进型的水平，不少指标远超过。。。
只是工艺和美观方面，个人认为还是觉得有差距。
但是我们的坦克上有我们独特的东西。非常独特，是对付直升机的。也算是一大创举吧。。。。哈哈，爽。
希望09年阅兵能看到，不知道到时候是否能定型，我想即使不定型，也该能产出十几辆够阅兵用吧。。。。。哈哈谢谢各位，我们还会在适当的时候，不断推出重磅独家泄密贴的。请各位注意收看，下面是广告时间，请不要走开。。。。哈哈。
article calim that maximim range for J-10B is 200km.radar system is more advance than radar installed in J-10A.
new aircraft carrier will have 2 aircraft elevator,2 steam catapult and 2 elevators for ammo. total weight 65000 ton.
prototype for new battle tank may already undergoing technical elevation.
小步快跑是我们一贯的原则。
海军方面，大家最关心的就是我们官方口中的那个的超大型水面舰船，呵呵。
所有人都想知道我们的那个船到底是什么样，今天就发给大家看看。
哈哈这个可是全世界唯一，首次披露，大家是有眼福了。
这个是拖弋模型，扣过来的，做底面线型处理阶段，做好后，可以下水做流体力学测试。也就是测试这个船型的适航性能，抗波性，以及船底声纳的布置是否合理。等等。
具体的我不大懂，也不方便问。。。。。总之我们的航母是集众家所长。。。。。
弹射起飞。2个弹射位，2个升降机，2个弹药提升口。整个这个船吨位大概在6以上。现在飞机的选型已经确定3个型号的飞机上船，估计还得增加一种。。。。。。现在大家都在争这最后的蛋糕。。。。因为这个船会造不止2艘以上。所以飞机还是有不少定单可以做的。。。。。
陆军方面。
新坦克已经做出原型样车。测试也已经开始了。从北到南逐步进行。。。。。发动机还是以柴油机为动力。。当然离不开德国的技术。。。火炮，已经是天下无敌。。。。。。主要是以对付贫铀装甲为目标研制的。这次的进步主要体现在全车的自动化方面，火控系统和观瞄系统，以及车际信息共享和指挥控制方面进步很大。不过很多先进的零部件还是进口的，我们和以色列关系不错。
甚至里面有意大利的东西。德国豹2我们已经研究透了。。。。。性能上已经完全达到豹2的最新改进型的水平，不少指标远超过。。。
只是工艺和美观方面，个人认为还是觉得有差距。
但是我们的坦克上有我们独特的东西。非常独特，是对付直升机的。也算是一大创举吧。。。。哈哈，爽。
希望09年阅兵能看到，不知道到时候是否能定型，我想即使不定型，也该能产出十几辆够阅兵用吧。。。。。哈哈谢谢各位，我们还会在适当的时候，不断推出重磅独家泄密贴的。请各位注意收看，下面是广告时间，请不要走开。。。。哈哈。
article calim that maximim range for J-10B is 200km.radar system is more advance than radar installed in J-10A.
new aircraft carrier will have 2 aircraft elevator,2 steam catapult and 2 elevators for ammo. total weight 65000 ton.
prototype for new battle tank may already undergoing technical elevation.
Skywatcher
Captain
Well, we know that the ZTZ-99"A" has been undergoing trials for a while and might have entered low level preproduction, or it might be another MBT entirely.
Not surprising that the J-11B radar is better, it's a lot bigger.
Not surprising that the J-11B radar is better, it's a lot bigger.
RedMercury
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I have no idea how credible it is, but here a more detailed translation
Even though the 4th gen fighter has not been revealed (deployed?), its technology has been steadily used. How is this? Not revealed? How are they used? Our number 10 received a better radar. Super 10. Radar's effective range surpasses 200 km. Number of targets tracked, command, control, interference (ECCM?), information sharing, surveying, and other functions have been improved enormously. So it is said that this 10 is no longer a 10, of course, 11 is no longer an 11.
Running quickly in small steps is our consistent principle.
With regards to the navy, everyone is interested in the super large surface combatant mentioned by our officials. He he.
Everyone wants to know what that ship is like, today we'll give everyone a peek. He he, this is an exclusive opportunity, first time revealed, consider your eyes lucky.
This is from a towed model, brought over for the (horizontal?) analysis stage. After this is putting in water for hydrodynamics tests. That is, testing this new hull for cruising ability, stability, and the suitability of the hull sonar suite placement, etc.
Specifics I don't really understand, and not at liberty to say. Suffice it to say our aircraft carrier is an eclectic mix. 2 catapults, 2 elevators, 2 ammo elevator ports, full tonnage approximately over 6. Currently, 3 aircraft have already been chosen for it. I estimate one more type is required. Now the companies are vying for this last piece of cake, because more than 2 of this ship will be built. So there is still some consideration before the aircraft list is set.
With regards to the army. The new type MBT's prototype has already appeared. Tests have also started. Gradually from north to south. Power pack is still diesel, of course it does not depart from German technology. The main gun is already unmatched in the world. It was mainly designed to defeat opponents with DU armor. The improvements this time take place mainly in automation, fire control, and sensors. Also, inter-vehicle information sharing and command and control have improved tremendously. But, many advanced components are still imported. Our relations with Israel are quite good. There's even Italian stuff in it. We have studied the German Leopard 2 through and through. All aspects of performance have already reached the Leopard 2 latest modification's level, and in many metrics far surpassed. Though, in build quality and aesthetics I personally think there are still disparities.
However, our tank has unique feature(s?). Very unique, for dealing with helicopters. Should be considered a major innovation. Hehe, nice.
Hopefully we'll see it in the 09 parade, but don't know if it will be finalized by then. I think even if it is not finalized, they can build a dozen prototypes for the parade troops.
Hehe, thanks everyone. We will continue, at the proper time, to release important and exclusive leaks. Please stay tunned, and now for a commercial break, don't go away...hehe.
Even though the 4th gen fighter has not been revealed (deployed?), its technology has been steadily used. How is this? Not revealed? How are they used? Our number 10 received a better radar. Super 10. Radar's effective range surpasses 200 km. Number of targets tracked, command, control, interference (ECCM?), information sharing, surveying, and other functions have been improved enormously. So it is said that this 10 is no longer a 10, of course, 11 is no longer an 11.
Running quickly in small steps is our consistent principle.
With regards to the navy, everyone is interested in the super large surface combatant mentioned by our officials. He he.
Everyone wants to know what that ship is like, today we'll give everyone a peek. He he, this is an exclusive opportunity, first time revealed, consider your eyes lucky.
This is from a towed model, brought over for the (horizontal?) analysis stage. After this is putting in water for hydrodynamics tests. That is, testing this new hull for cruising ability, stability, and the suitability of the hull sonar suite placement, etc.
Specifics I don't really understand, and not at liberty to say. Suffice it to say our aircraft carrier is an eclectic mix. 2 catapults, 2 elevators, 2 ammo elevator ports, full tonnage approximately over 6. Currently, 3 aircraft have already been chosen for it. I estimate one more type is required. Now the companies are vying for this last piece of cake, because more than 2 of this ship will be built. So there is still some consideration before the aircraft list is set.
With regards to the army. The new type MBT's prototype has already appeared. Tests have also started. Gradually from north to south. Power pack is still diesel, of course it does not depart from German technology. The main gun is already unmatched in the world. It was mainly designed to defeat opponents with DU armor. The improvements this time take place mainly in automation, fire control, and sensors. Also, inter-vehicle information sharing and command and control have improved tremendously. But, many advanced components are still imported. Our relations with Israel are quite good. There's even Italian stuff in it. We have studied the German Leopard 2 through and through. All aspects of performance have already reached the Leopard 2 latest modification's level, and in many metrics far surpassed. Though, in build quality and aesthetics I personally think there are still disparities.
However, our tank has unique feature(s?). Very unique, for dealing with helicopters. Should be considered a major innovation. Hehe, nice.
Hopefully we'll see it in the 09 parade, but don't know if it will be finalized by then. I think even if it is not finalized, they can build a dozen prototypes for the parade troops.
Hehe, thanks everyone. We will continue, at the proper time, to release important and exclusive leaks. Please stay tunned, and now for a commercial break, don't go away...hehe.
Continuing this discussion in the Flanker thread.....
The conclusion you're drawing is not borne out by the facts. The USAF's first production AESA was not the APG-77 of the F-22 but the APG-63(V)2 and (V)3 being retrofitted onto F-15C's and F-15E's as we speak. The F/A-18E and F also have powerful AESA's in the form of the APG-79. This radar is also being retrofitted onto early production F/A-18E/F's that did not have this AESA initially (at obviously significant expense). The EA-18G Growler will also have this radar. The B-2 will have the APQ-181 AESA currently in development. The F-16 will have the (option of) SABR AESA currently in development. The F-35 will have the APG-81 AESA. Where is this decreased reliance on fighter radars that you are talking about, especially in light of the significant cost of retrofitting all these different AESA's onto older 4th generation aircraft? They certainly do not intend to deemphasize fighter radars, since their procurement patterns clearly go against what you are suggesting.
Londo Molari
Junior Member
I could be wrong, but the way I see it F-22 and F-35 will obviously have AESA's, since they are next generation fighters. AESA radars have much lower down-time and fewer maintenance costs, so that makes it attractive for new fighter projects right off the bat.
But the backbone of the US air power for the next decade or two will remain its legacy fighters. The super-hornet is indeed being upgraded, but less than half of the F-15's are being upgraded, and none of the F-18s or F-16s (over a thousand). The SABR is a product that is available, but it doesn't seem like the USAF is going for it, they are mainly marketing it for export.
But the backbone of the US air power for the next decade or two will remain its legacy fighters. The super-hornet is indeed being upgraded, but less than half of the F-15's are being upgraded, and none of the F-18s or F-16s (over a thousand). The SABR is a product that is available, but it doesn't seem like the USAF is going for it, they are mainly marketing it for export.
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