China Flanker Thread II
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No, with their 70x0x-numbers these are 89th Brigade J-11B's assigned to the Dalian Base, formerly 30th Division.
Quite interesting, the aircraft in front is not a B-model, but an "A".
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franco-russe
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Actually the first picture of renumbered aircraft of 89 Brigade. I make them 70007, 70202, 70205 (07, 22, 25, i.e. one too many). Very odd with the J-11A, since Pulandian should have J-11B exclusively.
franco-russe
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This is quite simple and nothing to speculate too much about.
J-11A/B is produced in lots of 24, corresponding to a regiment of 24.
The Xingcheng-2 (Huangdicun) J-15 base has 24 aircraft shelters, so there will be a regiment of 24, which will be the fighter component of LIAONING's air group. To which will be added an unknown number of helicopters, at first probably KA-28/KA-31.
asif iqbal
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Now that is very interesting, 24 units of the J-15 must certainly be coming online soon
However I have one question, if they want to have 24 aircraft on the carrier would they not need more than 24 aircraft as not all of them will be operational at the same time, so have more than 24 to allow 24 aready at all times even having 48 J-15 and have Regiment on land and one for the air wing
To be honest 24 J15 operating from a carrier is basically a Regiment of aircraft, A pretty powerful air arm, add to that the full carrier task force and you have a powerful fleet, sailing in the Pacific would raise alarm bells
Dizasta1
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Asif has got a very valid point. A lot of things are taken into consideration. It depends on what the service wants, the strength to field overall would be the number of aircraft available at any given time. This is as opposed to the total number of aircraft at the carrier. If PLANAF is "fielding" (24) J-15s, then it would have a minimum of (30) aircraft on board. The (6) account for serviceability, spares and attrition. It also can supplement, if the need arises or in an emergency, to deploy a minimum force (2/4) for carrier-defence, if all fighters have been sent out on mission.
plawolf
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Since the vast majority of PLAAF and PLANAF regiments are 24 planes strong, one would assume that that 24 plane unit already have availability and maintenance overheads factored into the formation size. After all, its not like air force fighters are 100% available all the time.
The 24 planes would represent the peak deployable force a regiment could field, but during most times, the number of planes actually available for deployment would likely be less than that number.
As with all naval fighter units, the date when they are initially scheduled to embark on the carrier would have been decided well in advance, and maintenance schedules would have been tweaked to make sure all the planes in a regiment are ready to fly on that date.
After the fighter regiment had embarked on the carrier, they could just use a similar rotation roster as a land based unit in terms of scheduling maintenance and checks to maintain maximum unit availability. But, as with land based fighter units, there will be times when the number of planes available for deployment is less than the unit's total complement.
The 24 planes would represent the peak deployable force a regiment could field, but during most times, the number of planes actually available for deployment would likely be less than that number.
As with all naval fighter units, the date when they are initially scheduled to embark on the carrier would have been decided well in advance, and maintenance schedules would have been tweaked to make sure all the planes in a regiment are ready to fly on that date.
After the fighter regiment had embarked on the carrier, they could just use a similar rotation roster as a land based unit in terms of scheduling maintenance and checks to maintain maximum unit availability. But, as with land based fighter units, there will be times when the number of planes available for deployment is less than the unit's total complement.
So the batch size is 24 and a batch of 24 J-15s will interrupt the procession of J-11B batches. Thank you franco-russe.
( Or more as Dizasta1 indicates? )
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China Purchases Su-35's-The Russian Side Story:
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红字部分是说"许其亮升职军委副主席之后，支持了PLA空军的购买愿望，并安排了采购经费。"
More Sukhoi Fighters for China, Indonesia
AIN Defense Perspective » February 22, 2013
by Vladimir Karnozov
China will receive an unspecified number of Sukhoi Su-35 fighters from the Russian production line. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov)
February 22, 2013, 12:20 PM
Top Russian officials have confirmed sales deals with China for the Sukhoi Su-35 and with Indonesia on an additional quantity of Su-30MK2 multirole fighters.
Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director at Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, told journalists attending the IDEX 2013 exhibition in Abu Dhabi that Russian defense minister Sergei Choigu signed an intergovernmental agreement on the Su-35 with China in January. Dzirkaln, who headed the Russian delegation to the arms show, added that the work on firm contract is ongoing “in a planned manner” as the sides are “detailing” delivery terms. “There will be direct shipments only, not license production,” he clarified.
Furthermore, a member in the Russian delegation told journalists that the delay with the Su-35 deal was due in part to the reshuffle at the top of the Chinese military command following the 18th Communist Party Council in November. He suggested that the promotion of ex-PLAAF commander (2007-2012) Xu Quiliang to the Central Military Commission (CMC) was a decisive move in support of the air force’s wish-list and subsequent allocation of hard currency for it.China last purchased fighters from Russia in 2004, adding 24 Su-30MK2s to bring the grand total of Flanker-series aircraft to 283.
Earlier this month, another top Russian official confirmed that Indonesia is placing a firm order for six more Sukhoi Su-30MK2 two-seaters. Anatoly Isaikin, director general at weapon-sales agency Rosoboronexport, told the media that the deal also includes an unspecified number of Saturn AL31F engines and other equipment. The Indonesian air force already operates five Su-27SK /SKM single-seat and five Su-30MKK/MK2 twin-seat fighters.
Indonesia has been negotiating for additional Sukhoi jets since at least 2010. At that time, the country’s then-defense minister voiced Jakarta’s ultimate intent to form 10 Sukhoi fighter squadrons comprising 180 aircraft within the next 15 to 20 years. Although in late 2011 the negotiators came to terms on the main parameters of the deal–$470 million for six airplanes–the talks were prolonged over spare engines, maintenance tools and munitions.
Then, after a Sukhoi Superjet on a sales-promotion tour collided with Mount Salak on May 9, 2012, reports in the Indonesian media suggested that the country’s defense ministry was reconsidering the option of taking more Lockheed Martin F-16As instead of the Russian fighters.
Indonesian officials had previously indicated several times that they viewed pre-owned F-16s as an alternative to the longer-term investment in the Su-30MK2s. To facilitate further sales to Jakarta, the Kremlin-controlled VEB bank provided a seven-year export credit to the Indonesian finance ministry worth $399.5 million for the purchase of aviation equipment.
... ers-china-indonesia
红字部分是说"许其亮升职军委副主席之后，支持了PLA空军的购买愿望，并安排了采购经费。"
More Sukhoi Fighters for China, Indonesia
AIN Defense Perspective » February 22, 2013
by Vladimir Karnozov
China will receive an unspecified number of Sukhoi Su-35 fighters from the Russian production line. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov)
February 22, 2013, 12:20 PM
Top Russian officials have confirmed sales deals with China for the Sukhoi Su-35 and with Indonesia on an additional quantity of Su-30MK2 multirole fighters.
Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director at Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, told journalists attending the IDEX 2013 exhibition in Abu Dhabi that Russian defense minister Sergei Choigu signed an intergovernmental agreement on the Su-35 with China in January. Dzirkaln, who headed the Russian delegation to the arms show, added that the work on firm contract is ongoing “in a planned manner” as the sides are “detailing” delivery terms. “There will be direct shipments only, not license production,” he clarified.
Furthermore, a member in the Russian delegation told journalists that the delay with the Su-35 deal was due in part to the reshuffle at the top of the Chinese military command following the 18th Communist Party Council in November. He suggested that the promotion of ex-PLAAF commander (2007-2012) Xu Quiliang to the Central Military Commission (CMC) was a decisive move in support of the air force’s wish-list and subsequent allocation of hard currency for it.China last purchased fighters from Russia in 2004, adding 24 Su-30MK2s to bring the grand total of Flanker-series aircraft to 283.
Earlier this month, another top Russian official confirmed that Indonesia is placing a firm order for six more Sukhoi Su-30MK2 two-seaters. Anatoly Isaikin, director general at weapon-sales agency Rosoboronexport, told the media that the deal also includes an unspecified number of Saturn AL31F engines and other equipment. The Indonesian air force already operates five Su-27SK /SKM single-seat and five Su-30MKK/MK2 twin-seat fighters.
Indonesia has been negotiating for additional Sukhoi jets since at least 2010. At that time, the country’s then-defense minister voiced Jakarta’s ultimate intent to form 10 Sukhoi fighter squadrons comprising 180 aircraft within the next 15 to 20 years. Although in late 2011 the negotiators came to terms on the main parameters of the deal–$470 million for six airplanes–the talks were prolonged over spare engines, maintenance tools and munitions.
Then, after a Sukhoi Superjet on a sales-promotion tour collided with Mount Salak on May 9, 2012, reports in the Indonesian media suggested that the country’s defense ministry was reconsidering the option of taking more Lockheed Martin F-16As instead of the Russian fighters.
Indonesian officials had previously indicated several times that they viewed pre-owned F-16s as an alternative to the longer-term investment in the Su-30MK2s. To facilitate further sales to Jakarta, the Kremlin-controlled VEB bank provided a seven-year export credit to the Indonesian finance ministry worth $399.5 million for the purchase of aviation equipment.
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