China Flanker Thread II

[Lion]

It might be true the Su-33 is old and will be replaced by MiG-29Ks, however the Su-33 were updated a few years ago, the Su-33 China has is a late 1980s aircraft, because J-15 is a a upgraded Su-33 . however the Russian Su-33 will be replaced today by more modern MiG-29Ks with 10 tonnes of Thrust engines giving the MiG-29K 20 tonnes of thrust at take off and new avionics, so comparing Su-33 with J-15 does not represent a realistic measure, since Su-33 has been barely upgraded

The purpose of that article is not about comparison of J-15 with Russian Su-33. It's about shutting up those amateur who think J-15 is copy of Su-33. If J-15 is copy, it shall copy completely everything from avionics , system and capabilities to qualify as copy, just like how Soviet did it for Tu-4. I heard some of the dent was even copy as Stalin instructed to copy Boeing B-29 exactly everything.

Clearly with a different radar, avionics and combat capabilites. J-15 do not qualify as copy. Beside the outside frame looks like Su-33, everything internal of J-15 is different.

 

[kroko]

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PLA signs preliminary deal for 24 Russian Su-35 jet fighters

"...Beijing expressed interest in purchasing only four Su-35s last year, but that was rejected by Moscow, which had originally expected China to buy 48 planes, Moscow's Vedomosti business daily quoted an official from Russia's Federal Service for Military and Technical Co-operation as saying."


If I were the Russians, I wouldn't have agreed to sell just 4 planes either!

he, could this be a signal that china is really interested in su-35? although the idea that china buying those aircraft will help j-20 is something hard to compreend. China needs the engines, not the aircraft.

 

[MiG-29]

the SU-33 China obtain from ukraine is technically russia 80's technology.all her system are analog.

The current Su-33 flown on Russian aircraft carrier are not the same flown in 1990, they were upgraded a few years ago

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Работы по ремонту и модернизации самолетов проводятся на "Комсомольском-на-Амуре авиационном производственном объединении им. Ю.А.Гагарина" (КнААПО, входит в холдинг "Сухой") в рамках государственного оборонного заказа 2010 года, говорится в сообщении
original 2010 article about Su-33 upgradeЧитайте далее: Компания "Сухой" начала испытания модернизированных истребителей Су-33 | РИА Новости

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all the articles mention modernized avionics so i do not know if current Su-33 are inferior to J-15s

 

[Lion]

The current Su-33 flown on Russian aircraft carrier are not the same flown in 1990, they were upgraded a few years ago

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Работы по ремонту и модернизации самолетов проводятся на "Комсомольском-на-Амуре авиационном производственном объединении им. Ю.А.Гагарина" (КнААПО, входит в холдинг "Сухой") в рамках государственного оборонного заказа 2010 года, говорится в сообщении
original 2010 article about Su-33 upgradeЧитайте далее: Компания "Сухой" начала испытания модернизированных истребителей Су-33 | РИА Новости

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all the articles mention modernized avionics so i do not know if current Su-33 are inferior to J-15s

Does the upgraded Su-33 offer anti-shipping capabilities and air to ground strike?

 

[MiG-29]

The purpose of that article is not about comparison of J-15 with Russian Su-33. It's about shutting up those amateur who think J-15 is copy of Su-33. If J-15 is copy, it shall copy completely everything from avionics , system and capabilities to qualify as copy, just like how Soviet did it for Tu-4. I heard some of the dent was even copy as Stalin instructed to copy Boeing B-29 exactly everything.

Clearly with a different radar, avionics and combat capabilites. J-15 do not qualify as copy. Beside the outside frame looks like Su-33, everything internal of J-15 is different.

it is a modernized Su-33, however the articles says Su-33 is less capable, since it is a newspaper and news outlet written by not proffesionals i can tell you that the miss to say the Russian Su-33s have been upgraded with new avionics, so in my opinion is hard to know if the Russian upgrade yields to the Chinese upgrade and that the J-15 that took off from the chinese aircraft carrier had Al-31s, so it is obvious an article that misses some points to embelish the J-15 in order to try to fix its image

 

[Lion]

it is a modernized Su-33, however the articles says Su-33 is less capable, since it is a newspaper and news outlet written by not proffesionals i can tell you that the miss to say the Russian Su-33s have been upgraded with new avionics, so in my opinion is hard to know if the Russian upgrade yields to the Chinese upgrade and that the J-15 that took off from the chinese aircraft carrier had Al-31s, so it is obvious an article that misses some points to embelish the J-15 in order to try to fix its image

I ask you again. Does upgraded Su-33 offer multi role capabilities like anti shipping and ground strike precision capabilites?

And you simply ignore the fact, they are other J-15 prototypes flying with WS-10A. What the article mention is truth in it sense.

 

[MiG-29]

Does the upgraded Su-33 offer anti-shipping capabilities and air to ground strike?

05.10.2010 "Сухой" проводит наземные и летные испытания модернизированных истребителей Су-33


Москва, 5 октября. Компания "Сухой" проводит наземные и летные испытания корабельных истребителей Су-33. Работы по ремонту и модернизации самолетов проводятся на входящем в холдинг Комсомольском-на-Амуре авиационном производственном объединении им. Ю.А.Гагарина (КнААПО) в рамках государственного оборонного заказа 2010 г

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the original Sukhoi article does not mention what upgrade they had, it is just a historical summary and the report of Su-33 being upgraded

 

[Lion]

05.10.2010 "Сухой" проводит наземные и летные испытания модернизированных истребителей Су-33


Москва, 5 октября. Компания "Сухой" проводит наземные и летные испытания корабельных истребителей Су-33. Работы по ремонту и модернизации самолетов проводятся на входящем в холдинг Комсомольском-на-Амуре авиационном производственном объединении им. Ю.А.Гагарина (КнААПО) в рамках государственного оборонного заказа 2010 г

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the original Sukhoi article does not mention what upgrade they had, it is just a historical summary and the report of Su-33 being upgraded

Since you can't prove while J-15 is stated to be multi-role. Can we conclude for the time being J-15 is superior by the article.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Since you can't prove while J-15 is stated to be multi-role. Can we conclude for the time being J-15 is superior by the article.

I think there is little doubt that the J-15 is a superior upgrade of the Su-33 prototype as far as airframe and avionics upgrades, and multi-mission capability. I think that lots of folks would like an opportunity to "study" the engines in the Su-35, and I also think the Su-35 will offer additional capability now, rather than later, this article seems to give some credibility to the possible purchase of 24 Su-35s, but like everything else in this crazy world, we shall see?

 

[no_name]

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ot = off topic.