China Flanker Thread II

[MiG-29]

The fact is the people who believe the Su-35 deal is real are just throwing crap on the wall waiting for one to stick.

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why do not you do this


Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov claims he was asked by China to sell to the chinese 117s engines


Victor Mihailovich Chepkin, designer of 117 and 117S claims WS-10 used technology from Al-31 and the WS-10 is not in the class of 117 and 117S and Russia has Type 30 which already flew on T-50.


You can call them liars if you want, or you can say they are saying the truth, that is up to you.

 

[AssassinsMace]

And conveniently forget the Russians already claimed that same engine is on the J-20 when it first showed up. So they wouldn't need to buy the Su-35 just for the engine since they already have it.

 

[AssassinsMace]

why do not you do this


Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov claims he was asked by China to sell 117s engines


Victor Mihailovich Chepkin, designer of 117 and 117S claims WS-10 used technology from Al-31 and the WS-10 is not in the class of 117 and 117S and Russia has Type 30 which already flew on T-50.


You can call them liars if you want, or you can say they are saying the truth, that is up to you.

And why don't you keep your contradictions straight?

 

[MiG-29]

And why don't you keep your contradictions straight?

haha what contradictions?

look you have two options call Russia Today, say i am assassin mace or what ever call tell them Anatoly Serdyukov he is a liar, okay tell them i was in China i was part of the people who welcome him (of course if you were)
show proof that he is lying then i will believe you, otherwise is his word against you

Anatoly Serdyukov says China asked to buy 117S engines to Russia, Russia rejected and said, we only can sell it if you buy us Su-35s and at least a　large order


otherwise your credibility is none and you have to admit you are not an insider just a fanboy

 

[AssassinsMace]

All my information comes from you and the Russians who have reported these things. If there's any credibility loss, it's all on you. Don't blame me because I can retain information long enough to see lies from all the contradictions.

 

[MiG-29]

All my information comes from you and the Russians who have reported these things. If there's any credibility loss, it's all on you. Don't blame me because I can retain information long enough to see lies from all the contradictions.

haha well i ask you more clear

were you part of the people who welcome Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov in China?

were you?


did you talk to him?
were you in the talks with him?


Call Russia Today appear on their show, say i have proof i was there i have video and audio, Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov is lying.


China never requested 117s engines.

otherwise your credibility is none

 

[AssassinsMace]

haha well i ask you more clear

were you part of the people who welcome Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov in China?

were you?


did you talk to him?
were you in the talks with him?


Call Russia Today appear on their show, say i have proof i was there i have video and audio, Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov is lying.


China never requested 117s engines.

otherwise your credibility is none

More irrelevant points. It doesn't matter if I was there or if China requested those engines. What matters is all the contradictions were reported by the Russians. You claim the Chinese want to buy the Su-35 so they can copy the engine. No need to buy the Su-35 just for the engine because the Russians reported they sold that engine and was installed on the J-20 when it first flew. Don't blame me because your side is the one that can't get their stories straight for someone like me to notice all the contradictions meaning all the lies being reported.

 

[Engineer]

117S is so advanced that China requested the engine to Russia,

In 2010, when Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was on visit to China, Beijing proposed to buy 117C engines, but the offer was turned down.

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you did not care to read, but the Russian defence minister was asked by the Chinese to sell 117s but Russia rejected the chinese proposal and replied buy us the whole jet

You only have two options

Call Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov a liar

or

admit it is true

Actually, there is a third option, which is that China is not buying the Su-35 for the engines. The entire argument about 117S engine is just an excuse to justify why China should conform to your fantasy and buy some Su-35. However, we already know China is not buying the Su-35, thus the country isn't planning to get any 117S engine.

China refutes rumor on Su-35 purchase

"RusNEWS.CN reports (3-09-12 Beijing time): Reporter Alexi Yafmov reports: The Chinese Department of defence revealed to RusNews that reports by the Russian media regarding the signing of a 48 Su-35 fighter contract between China and Russia are inaccurate.

The Chinese Department of Defense clarified that : "In recent years, China maintained close strategic partnership with Russia and successfully cooperated in numerous domains. Sino-Russian military cooperation is an important part of Sino-Russian strategic partnership that is being carried out smoothly and has continuously yielded results. Reports that "China and Russia agreed on the purchase on 48 Su-35 fighters, however, have no factual basis.

On March 6th, Russian newspaper Kommersant quoted a Russian military insider when supposedly said that China and Russia agreed to sign a contract which will supply the Chinese military with 48 Su-35 fighters. The contract would have a net worth of 4.0 billion dollars."

Translation Courtesy of siegecrossbow.

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is the original link.

 

[MiG-29]

More irrelevant points. It doesn't matter if I was there or if China requested those engines. What matters is all the contradictions were reported by the Russians. You claim the Chinese want to buy the Su-35 so they can copy the engine. No need to buy the Su-35 just for the engine because the Russians reported they sold that engine and was installed on the J-20 when it first flew. Don't blame me because your side is the one that can't get their stories straight for someone like me to notice all the contradictions meaning all your lies.

that is not true, the Russians never claim they sold 117S to China, that is a big lie of you, the Russians say J-20 has subsystems from Russia here i quote Russia today




As of now, the J-20 flies with two Russian AL-31F jet engines it borrowed from the Russian Su-27 fighter jet that entered Chinese service in the mid-1980s.

China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.
The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation

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they never say 117 was sold


you are just claiming a rumour that was early in the J-20`s disclosure early days that J-20 might had 117s, this was a internet forum rumour, not something Russia claimed　and definitivly
not the words by the Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov

here is the proof

[video=youtube;gpifTCL7D7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpifTCL7D7A&feature=relmfu[/video]

something even echoed by the americans

[video=youtube;EqdZWl3oPRs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqdZWl3oPRs&feature=related[/video]

 

[Yorkie]

Gents, really, let's stick to the topic of China Flanker, shall we? Great plane, but China won't buy. End of story. Let's move on!