China Flanker Thread II

[Schumacher]

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Correct.

Any people would be interested in the best fighter in operation in Russia, the US included if given a chance, just to know Russia's capabilities for instance. Why not China? Your point is?

However, "interested" is miles aways from "interested to purchase", and from there "Interested to purchase in quantities", which in turn from "a step away from signing a contract that worths $4b". -- I think the logic is universal either in Spanish or in Arabian, no?

And it did not end there, when was the last time when a potential customer got humiliated and rubbished by a seller before the purchase? You local car dealers do that to you or what?
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Come on now, don't be so cruel. All that Russian fanboys have left is the insistence that China was 'interested'.
And I'm sure China would really have been 'interested' in Su35 had Russia offered to sell it for say US$100,000 a piece.

 

[MiG-29]

It appears that you've completely messed up your logic.

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i understand perfectly the spanish version, what they say is there is no fact in the report Russia and China have achieved an agreement, this means China is not going to buy Su-35s because no agreement has been reached.
The rest is a mystery, why?
Simple why Kommersant will report something that is wrong?

There are only two possibilities, first bad reporting in which the Russian military source based the information filtered upon a gossip that China requested Su-35 or the other is indeed China did ask for Su-35 but it was never close to reach the agreement and the talks never advanced beyond a simple technical briefing.

However the text never mentions China never was interested, it simply say China has denied Russian reports that an agreement has almost been reached for the signing of the contract for 48 Su-35s, did China have some interest on Su-35? did they ask information for Su-35? the report does not mention are they still interested? the report does not mention.

 

[Deino]

Come on "MiG-29" !!!


It's almost boring that You not only fill You posts up with numerous "soucres, links and quotes", blanked by bold text parts ... but why do You again try to pretend to read between the lines ????

The PLAAF simply is not interested in the Su-35S, fact ... whatever some Russia-Fan boy might dream, simply accept that.

And besides the fact that this second report doesn't mention a lot of other things too (which also can be read between the lines - like to admit that the reporter who started this trash was quite "well" researching his report before posting rubbish ) - but the old one mentioned so much "BS" which has been proved wrong. As such IMO end of that debate if now, if ever, if maybe ...

And please not again answering with pages of Russian "sources" or translated re-posts of this trash from other links !
... it's not the number of a link, which make an information reliable, but the quality of that source alone and IMO this was once again a testament of how reliable Russian sources are in regard to CHinese military affairs. ! Period.

Deino

 

[escobar]

And I'm sure China would really have been 'interested' in Su35 had Russia offered to sell it for say US$100,000 a piece.

So you think that china "non-interest" in Su-35 is related to the price?

 

[MiG-29]

Come on "MiG-29" !!!


It's almost boring that You not only fill You posts up with numerous "soucres, links and quotes", blanked by bold text parts ... but why do You again try to pretend to read between the lines ????

The PLAAF simply is not interested in the Su-35S, fact ... whatever some Russia-Fan boy might dream, simply accept that.

And besides the fact that this second report doesn't mention a lot of other things too (which also can be read between the lines - like to admit that the reporter who started this trash was quite "well" researching his report before posting rubbish ) - but the old one mentioned so much "BS" which has been proved wrong. As such IMO end of that debate if now, if ever, if maybe ...

And please not again answering with pages of Russian "sources" or translated re-posts of this trash from other links !
... it's not the number of a link, which make an information reliable, but the quality of that source alone and IMO this was once again a testament of how reliable Russian sources are in regard to CHinese military affairs. ! Period.

Deino

can i ask you a question?
bashing me as fan boy is not cool, first all of us are entitle to our opinions, for whatever different are.

So I ask you if we are in a forum let us respect our opinions, my opinion might not be the one you like, yeah i accept that, it does not mean you can not have some chavelry when we discuss a topic, we are not politicians niether policy makers much less Chengdu engineers or Sukhoi engineers, we are just giving our opinions about a topic.

My opinion is just that mine, what Kommersant wrote is what they wrote, has nothing to do with being russian.

Saying Russian links are always fraudulent almost is a racist statement, Russian sources are just sources, some might be wrong true i admit, some are right.

To me I can see China did ask for SU-35 at least a briefing, yeah that is possible, will they buy it? well to me at this moment seems not, did they ask for it perhaps, i see it plaussible.

 

[Deino]

can i ask you a question?
bashing me as fan boy is not cool, first all of us are entitle to our opinions, for whatever different are.
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First of all I did not bash You as a "Russian Fan-boy" but if You feel like one, then I apologize.

Anyway, the problem is not that we both don't have the same opinion and that I can't repect that You to have a different one to mine ... it's Your persistance: You can not only tell us once what You think since again each time anyone repeats to Your "toooooooooo-looooooong" posts, Your answers they are getting looooooonger and looooooooooonger.

We all know what You think to some topics and it's more than fine how You add links, sources and what-ever to prof Your claim, but in the end it's up to each other here to decide what to think.

As such - and here I speak for me myself - I accept Your different opinion, but I get angry to read all Your posts over and over again; You won't change the opinion of others with that altitude nor will anyone we persuaded by the number of additional links nor the number of words You post. Honestly You will even more persuade if You too accept the other's opinions.

Just keep it simple and clear ...

Deino

 

[Lion]

So you think that china "non-interest" in Su-35 is related to the price?

I bet that price is even cheaper than China J-7G but is hell lot better than it, why not? LOL...

 

[AssassinsMace]

Saying Russian links are always fraudulent almost is a racist statement, Russian sources are just sources, some might be wrong true i admit, some are right.

I'll remember that because we all know they don't say that about China... Like the other side isn't motivated in part by that? How liberal the meaning words are for some and then at the same time not for others.

Your problem is you'll argue against an opinion even when it agrees with you. Remember the thread about if Chinese was going to be a dominant language? You argued it would not and English would still. I agreed with you... different angle but I agreed with you. But you still kept arguing against me doing the same thing noted here repeating stuff over and over again. Why? Because you're doing the same thing you're charging?

The same charges you make happens to the Chinese side all the time but I bet you don't think that hints of racism.

 

[kickars]

First of all I did not bash You as a "Russian Fan-boy" but if You feel like one, then I apologize.

Anyway, the problem is not that we both don't have the same opinion and that I can't repect that You to have a different one to mine ... it's Your persistance: You can not only tell us once what You think since again each time anyone repeats to Your "toooooooooo-looooooong" posts, Your answers they are getting looooooonger and looooooooooonger.

We all know what You think to some topics and it's more than fine how You add links, sources and what-ever to prof Your claim, but in the end it's up to each other here to decide what to think.

As such - and here I speak for me myself - I accept Your different opinion, but I get angry to read all Your posts over and over again; You won't change the opinion of others with that altitude nor will anyone we persuaded by the number of additional links nor the number of words You post. Honestly You will even more persuade if You too accept the other's opinions.

Just keep it simple and clear ...

Deino

Well said. Mig-29 reminds me someone used to post on this long time ago. Anyway, Chinese has never showed any interests in Su-35 (in terms of buying). The so-called rumours always came from the Russian side. And the Chinese have been denying ever since. What's more do you want the Chinese government to say? As a government as big and as powerful as the Chinese, I'm actually surprised they commented on those rumours at all. Do you really expect them to deny every single detail of the rumour in order to satisfy us? Simple, if you know anything about the Chinese government, you would know if they used the words they said during yesterday's Q&A, they mean it and they are fed up with these childish internet related non-sense. In fact, I was quite surprised to see people on this forum and defencetalk forum somehow believed it. I guess there's still a long way for both sides (Chinese and the west) to understand each other's ways of thinking and doing things.

 

[plawolf]

At least! The Chinese have come out and officially put an end to all these Russian wild claims.

Apart from marveling at how many times western jurnos can fall for exactly the same trick, what else is there to talk about any more?

Can this nonsense be over now so we can start talking about actual Chinese flankers as opposed to fictional future ones from another parallel dimension please?

I can't remember the last piece of useful/interesting info or picture I got from this thread, and that is sad considering how many posts had been made in the last week or so.