China Flanker Thread II

[Blitzo]

Hmm so at 00:28 you can see both the forward and rear cockpit of the J-11BS have HUDs. The front one is the same holographic HUD we've seen aboard J-11B, J-10B and J-20 too (?), but the rear one is a new (and smaller) design. How many twin seat aircraft have HUDs for both cockpits?

forum rules say no X versus y, we are to follow rules, is not a matter of population but of honesty, we are to discuss Chinese flankers upon no comparing against other jets, specially his remarks is comparing PAKFA versus J-20 and i remember they told me i should not do that, so why he is different? rules apply to all

Well the claim is that the russians offered china the option to join them in what was to become the T-50, and China supposedly wasn't impressed and decided to go it alone. I don't think he compares J-20 with PAK FA directly, but the implication of "PAK FA not being a real 5th gen fighter but a redesigned Su-27" and the result which china ended up getting could be true if you want to see it that far.

Indirect comparisons are inevitable. But in the J-20 thread I see you're still going on in aerodynamics and stuff and even there you're making statements which indirectly compare J-20 with F-22 or whatever. Get over it.

 

[hmmwv]

Hmm so at 00:28 you can see both the forward and rear cockpit of the J-11BS have HUDs. The front one is the same holographic HUD we've seen aboard J-11B, J-10B and J-20 too (?), but the rear one is a new (and smaller) design. How many twin seat aircraft have HUDs for both cockpits?

It's a simplified HUD for the WSO/instructor which is standard equipment on all twin seat Flankers, including PLAAF Su27UBK, Su30MKK, MK2, and J-11BS. Here is that famous picture of a Indian Su30 with a Garmin GPS taped to the rear HUD.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Beautifull!

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J-11BS had an accident recently due to faulty flight controls. The pilots were able to land safely due to quick thinking. The air-frame had to take 9.36 Gs during the maneuver.

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So was it a glitch in the FCS, its a computer you know and they never make mistakes.lol This kinda makes my point that flight control systems are complex, and work well most of the time, they like all equipment can fail. This would be interesting to have the straight skinny on, but I wonder if the truth will come out. From what I gathered, the airplane over G'ed, did it say how they were able to control it, and what might have caused it ?

 

[Player99]

Beautifull!

So was it a glitch in the FCS, its a computer you know and they never make mistakes.lol This kinda makes my point that flight control systems are complex, and work well most of the time, they like all equipment can fail. This would be interesting to have the straight skinny on, but I wonder if the truth will come out. From what I gathered, the airplane over G'ed, did it say how they were able to control it, and what might have caused it ?

I watched the video couple of days ago. I remember that it sounds like a computer glitch. The plane suddenly pitched up and down so violently (that's when the high G happened) that the two lost the control stick, and almost blacked out, one even bump his head in the glass. The whole thing lasted 26 seconds. In the end, one pilot got hold of the stick and pulled the plane back to normal.

 

[antiterror13]

It's a simplified HUD for the WSO/instructor which is standard equipment on all twin seat Flankers, including PLAAF Su27UBK, Su30MKK, MK2, and J-11BS. Here is that famous picture of a Indian Su30 with a Garmin GPS taped to the rear HUD.

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Wowwww, the quality of Indian SU-30 is shockingly bad, really bad .. cheap plane

 

[plawolf]

Wowwww, the quality of Indian SU-30 is shockingly bad, really bad .. cheap plane

Now now, no need for that sort of thing, we are better than that.

Sticky taping a commercial GPS onto your HUD like that does ring all sorts of alarm bells tho. Chiefly amongst them, why the MKI would need a commercial GPS at all when it should have an integrated one already? If the onboard GPS isn't even as good as a off-the-shelf commercial one, that is worrying, since if it isn't good enough for peace time use, how on earth can you expected it to be good enough in war time?

I would also be worried about pilots getting used to using that and other non-standard civilian gear during training. Aside from the obvious security risks they pose, such practices would compromise the effectiveness of the pilots during wartime if they get too used to operating with civilian gear that will be rendered inoperable by the slightest bit of jamming.

Anyways, this is all off topic, and a bit of a minefield, so best to jus leave it alone.

 

[i.e.]

Now now, no need for that sort of thing, we are better than that.

Sticky taping a commercial GPS onto your HUD like that does ring all sorts of alarm bells tho. Chiefly amongst them, why the MKI would need a commercial GPS at all when it should have an integrated one already? If the onboard GPS isn't even as good as a off-the-shelf commercial one, that is worrying, since if it isn't good enough for peace time use, how on earth can you expected it to be good enough in war time?
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PLAAF/PLAN's J-11A/B uses commerical-GPS-in-cockpit too.

 

[Hyperwarp]

Wowwww, the quality of Indian SU-30 is shockingly bad, really bad .. cheap plane

Those are the older "Su-30K" bought in 1996. I think they have all been sent to Russia to be upgraded to the Su-30MKI standard.

 

[drunkmunky]

I really get the feeling, from the pictures that the chinese built versions are of much better build quality. I hope i'm right.

 

[plawolf]

PLAAF/PLAN's J-11A/B uses commerical-GPS-in-cockpit too.

Really? I have not heard of this before, do you have links or pictures?