China demographics thread.

august1

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Much of the developed world is on the verge of civil war over immigration policies; poisonous soup at its best.

China should lead the world in addressing demographic collapse with hard line policies instead of the top little, too late approach by the Western world and their allies.
How about option C - neither? I have a feeling I won't live to see coersive pro-natal policies implemented in China.
 

Index

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Just listen to what U.S. politicians say for their own country. Child tax credit, affordable housing, secure the border. Now look at what they suggest for China. They hope China repeats what many of them now regret. That being said I do think China could allow in more immigrants at a limited level if they are highly skilled and sponsored by an employer. It's not for mass immigration, but it's for a small amount of skilled immigration.
I don't think you can compare the 2 societies like that. One of the main reasons why US struggles so much with immigration is that they have low social trust. And despite their government acting like strongmen in the national level, on the local level, their control isn't that good. So it's easy for illegal immigrants to sneak in and create their own parallel societies.

China has a long experience already of inviting foreign labor to its coastal cities. The same issues have not happened.

The goal of immigration should not be replacing the local population, but making their jobs easier, so they can spend more time raising children. A limited number of economic migrants who prove skilled and integrated enough should be taken into society as citizens.

I am ultimately sort of an advocate for mass immigration in China, because I think the societal characteristics in China can contain any potential dangers.
 

gadgetcool5

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I don't think you can compare the 2 societies like that. One of the main reasons why US struggles so much with immigration is that they have low social trust. And despite their government acting like strongmen in the national level, on the local level, their control isn't that good. So it's easy for illegal immigrants to sneak in and create their own parallel societies.

China has a long experience already of inviting foreign labor to its coastal cities. The same issues have not happened.

The goal of immigration should not be replacing the local population, but making their jobs easier, so they can spend more time raising children. A limited number of economic migrants who prove skilled and integrated enough should be taken into society as citizens.

I am ultimately sort of an advocate for mass immigration in China, because I think the societal characteristics in China can contain any potential dangers.

I am not comparing the two societies, I am comparing what U.S. politicians and intellectuals say for China vs. what they say for the U.S. They want what is worst for China and their "advice" should be taken as what not to do. Frankly I don't trust what people say on any English speaking outlets on this issue because it is filled with outsiders trying to give this kind of "advice". Mass immigration with a plunging native birth rate is a recipe for replacement and disaster.

I actually think the U.S. could handle mass immigration better than China because the birth rate of native born Americans is around 1.5 whereas for native born Chinese it is around 1. The main goal should be to raise the native birth rate.
 

jli88

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This discovery is doing the rounds. Some pretty credible people are calling this discovery Nuclear worthy. It was by 3 Chinese scientists in .... the US.

This is obviously just an anecdote, one single observation (though a big one at that), but top tier talent is still leaving China quite aggressively. Government needs to take more measures to reverse this. At the high end, a very small group of people are responsible for making big breakthroughs that can shake whole fields.

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FairAndUnbiased

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This discovery is doing the rounds. Some pretty credible people are calling this discovery Nuclear worthy. It was by 3 Chinese scientists in .... the US.

This is obviously just an anecdote, one single observation (though a big one at that), but top tier talent is still leaving China quite aggressively. Government needs to take more measures to reverse this. At the high end, a very small group of people are responsible for making big breakthroughs that can shake whole fields.

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The group leader left the country in 1989 and has never been back until 2017. Unless you have a time machine, this is kind of unsolvable.

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You mean Nobel worthy? I doubt those three scientists would get the Nobel prize for this.

Applied research rarely gets Nobels unless it literally changes the world, and this doesn't.
 

Index

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The group leader left the country in 1989 and has never been back until 2017. Unless you have a time machine, this is kind of unsolvable.

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Applied research rarely gets Nobels unless it literally changes the world, and this doesn't.
There has effectively been a parallel ethnic Asian settling of the USA, these people are not longer part of us anymore imho. They've been in US longer than many of the naturalized citizens from Latin America.

But their talent could possibly be gained as well. In the ww2 era, the Jewish community in USA attracted many Jews that had 100s of year ties to the land in Germany and Eastern Europe. All they needed to do to attract was give them a safe home and freedom to practice their culture. In the same vein, I think rehoming these Americans to China, is not just a benefit to human resources, but also committing moral good.
 

yungho

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There has effectively been a parallel ethnic Asian settling of the USA, these people are not longer part of us anymore imho. They've been in US longer than many of the naturalized citizens from Latin America.

But their talent could possibly be gained as well. In the ww2 era, the Jewish community in USA attracted many Jews that had 100s of year ties to the land in Germany and Eastern Europe. All they needed to do to attract was give them a safe home and freedom to practice their culture. In the same vein, I think rehoming these Americans to China, is not just a benefit to human resources, but also committing moral good.
China needs to follow in Israel's policies regarding diaspora imo. But first China needs to make itself attractive enough for overseas Chinese to want to move back.
 
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