I know that China is investing into automation to counteract future labor shortage, but what about longevity research and artificial womb tech is the government giving them attention?
China demographics thread.
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In China, the only reliable way to get people to do something is to make it a central component of social competition. When people start bragging to each other about how many children they have, then fertility will be restored.
This requires a cultural change, because the state of affairs right now is people bragging to each other about factors known to be associated with infertility:
This requires a cultural change, because the state of affairs right now is people bragging to each other about factors known to be associated with infertility:
- Education achievement
- Career achievement
- Luxury items
- Pets
- How much free time they have
- How many vacations they go on
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Artificial womb? I'm all for the traditional way. But if the people are desperate, then just reward the promiscuous youth to not abort, but for nation building.
That pressure from parents is a result of generational trauma from the century of humiliation and wars instigated by colonial powers.
However, it’s good to see that the CPC is willing to do the unpopular policy decisions rather than the feel good death cult of nihilistic westerners:
babies have the best prospects when brought up in a traditional household, those are facts. Sci fi solutions such as Brave New World type industrial production of babies is not currently viable, nor would it be healthy for Chinese civilisation
This was inevitable that China and CCP has a realistic view of how to raise child birth. There is this thinking in many people that the only thing preventing people from having more children is cost. So, just keep giving more and more benefits to people so that they have children. But that doesn't explain anything about why extremely poor people have so much more children in other countries. Having children is about mindset, social expectation. In a society dominated by thinking that getting married and having children is detriminal to women's freedom, life and well being, giving birth to more children is seen as a weakness, bad or backward. That's the exact thinking that is prevalent in China. Where there is hyper focus on money making, career advancement and it is thought that women cannot have a fulfilling life if they do not devote everything towards their career.
But what is needed is a change mindset and social expectation. This is where CCP and government power comes in. China can use its propaganda and control over the media to change how to see Child birth. They will make it so that it is no longer seen as anti-women's freedom but a national duty. They will make it so that slowly not having children will be seen as anti-social. This is just the beginning of this process. It will take many years but a full on propaganda campaign to change social mindset will probably happen. This will also be combined with carrot and stick approach where having more children will be rewarded by the government with more benefits while not having children will penalized in various ways. This is how China will raise child birth rate.
Wfh definitely helps simply because it allows both the man and woman to have enough time and energy to raise children, plan for children or enjoy enough bandwidth to consider how to improve their family. Speaking for myself, days when I have to go into office, I am tired AF when I get back after a commute, and it is boomer-esque for people to expect workers nowadays to return to office (RTO).
This is why I chuckled at Elon Musk wanting to increase birth rates and yet he forced his workers to RTO. I can’t help but detect a level of revenge coming from usually older managers who force their workers to return to office because they themselves never got to enjoy those same perks back in the 80s and 90s.
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I think it's more materially straightforward than that. Rice has a much higher caloric output per unit area than wheat, so east Asia along with India have historically been places of exceptionally high population density. This naturally leads to intense competition and so a very entrenched culture of pressuring children to succeed gradually developed.
Making women have children by state coercion is not what Xi was taking about and you shouldn't take western framing on the matter at face value. If you read Xi's speech in full, the main barriers to greater birth rates that he talks about are things like expensive housing, insufficient postnatal support and care for women, and frequent discrimination by employers towards women with children or who get pregnant after being hired. The implication is obviously that the main reasons women are having fewer children is because of financial pressure and insufficient support at a societal level, not that they personally have become ideologically opposed to childbirth. For the record the same is true for women in the west.