China demographics thread.

ThatNiceType055

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Do you guys think China will use reverse one Child Policy style penalties and massive social, media campaign to boost Birth Rate by creating a culture where not having children is seen as anti-social and taboo? This is exactly what happened with one child policy where having even 2 children was seen as taboo and being anti-society anti-patriotic and so on.

Decades of birth reduction policies have created a culture in China where having Children is deeply unpopular. Young people openly crticize intiatives on Weibo to raise births and talk about about how they will never have children and so on. I don't think this would have been allowed if Chinese govt intiates a policy to change social culture around having children. They would have been censored.

If China was serious about raising birth rates. They could easily create a social and media campaign that shows people who have jobs but no children are freeloaders who are putting burden on other people children to support them in their old age. They could make it that anyone that do not have children are social outcasts and villains and do not contribute to society. Then they could easily penalize such people with higher taxes, not allowing such people to apply for certain high quality jobs or even not allowing promotion to higher positions.

I believe just monetary incentives are not enough to boost birth rates. There needs to be a change people's mindset about having children. Having children should not be seen by the public as a luxury but an absolute necessity. In the past, people had no social safety net and thus having children was a must. Now they don't have such pressures, so government has to step in create such pressures so that not having children becomes a liability. Only then will people devote years of theirs lives to raise children.
On the contrary, I think it is not that young people do not have the pressure to have children, but that they have too much pressure. The change in mindset is based on reality. Twenty or thirty years ago, the burden of having a child was not so heavy, mainly because the cost of housing prices and education were not so high.

This is not just in China, but throughout East Asia.

I don't think there is currently an effective direct way to increase fertility (Japan has tried various strategies and if there is a way it should be discovered by now). If there is a penalty for not having children or having only one child, then people would rather accept the penalty than have children because of the penalty. If the punishment is too heavy, then there will be social problems. Only by reducing the cost of living, childbearing and education can the trend of declining fertility rate be slowed down.
 
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Dark Father

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Worth a watch:

Thanks for sharing. I have watched the video. I have said for several years that the three biggest threats for the PRC statehood are as follow. I place demographics far above the number 2 and 3 as threat. Cathastrophic but we seemingly need a total collapse for something to shift in our society.

1. demographics
2. usa
3. climate change.
 
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Eventine

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What happened in 2016 (the last peak in births) to cause such a crash since?
One factor is menopsuse for the generation of women born prior to the one child policy. If we take age 40 as a cut off for having children then 40 years ago from 2016 was almost exactly 1979 when the one child policy came into force. The generations of women before 1979 were significantly larger than after, and as they stopped having children, births were bound to collapse since there are just less women in each subsequent generation.

Of course this isn’t the only factor. Cultural change is also a huge effect. Women born before 1979 have much lower rates of college education, corporate employment, and exposure to modern consumerist culture. Those cultural trends really began in the 2000s, just as the one child generation was coming of age. It’s had a huge effect on their priorities in life.

The take away should be: birth policies and cultural change have a delayed effect on demographics. Don’t assume that a change today will have an impact tomorrow. TFR dropping like a rock won’t wreck China’s economy immediately, indeed it might even help it since there’s less dependents; it’s 15-20 years in the future when it’ll hit like a wave.
 

Dark Father

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I do not agree with this article for like 95% because to much US narrative and ball sucking but if this is true than the demographic collapse will worsen manyfold. Even stabilization is not in sight of the birth rate.

But as of last year, even China’s exaggerated official figures put births at just
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– and that number is expected to fall to six million in a few years, owing to the sharp decline in women of childbearing age and the continued decline in fertility.

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