China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels

Blackstone said:

China has no religious or ideological difficulties with tribal chiefs, and they don't mind paying off locals for protection, so pipelines in the Pakistan-Afghanistan lawless regions might be worth the risks.

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Although water routes have always been cheaper than land routes.

Blackstone said:

China has no religious or ideological difficulties with tribal chiefs, and they don't mind paying off locals for protection, so pipelines in the Pakistan-Afghanistan lawless regions might be worth the risks.

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Those conservative and possibly taliban influenced local chiefs might well have an irremediable religious or ideological difficulties with China. They are their own agents.

kwaigonegin said:

Gentleman, I think it's silly to make comparisons between China and neighboring countries in terms of tonnage or quantities. The fact of the matter is China will have any many cutters as it deem necessary in their operational and strategic planning and as budgeting allows. PERIOD!

To assume why China need X many ships when others doesn't or vis a vis Japan is like asking why the USCG is what it is when Canada and Mexico doesn't even have 1/25 of what the USCG does yet their coastlines are similarly huge as well!

Also by it's very nature a CG ship is not intended to confront an actual naval vessel in a conflict. Primary goal of the coast guard is mainly to safeguard a countries's coastline and EEZ, law enforcement, maritime security, rescue operations and thwarting criminal activities in the high seas!

A cutter no matter how big can't and won't be used to confront a submarine, destroyer, cruiser etc!!!! You don't need to load it up with crazy weaponry to fight off local pirates, drug runners or human smugglers etc.

If the day ever comes where CG vessels are the only ones left to fight off a destroyer, SSN etc guess what? the war is already lost!

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Agreed. However, I believe one would also agree with this idea of a cutter... to let other nations know of the presence of whatever country that cutter belongs to. A cutter needed to be armed... maybe not to the standards of a Navy warship, but definitely needed to be armed decently, not just to confront local pirates, but also to show others that they means business. And I believe that is what many nations were doing with their cutters (eg. Japan).

China, on the other hand needed that too, so that she wouldn't need to keep falling back to her Navy ships when doing patrol in disputed sea and islands and needed confrontation with other nations' cutters. Without decent armament, she needed to call for assistance from the Navy and that would again give others an impression of the China threats.

If China's ships are decently armed (at least with a 76mm canon), then she wouldn't need to called back for assistance, she could definitely more effectively protected her assets in these islands, and to the outside world, China didn't send any Navy assets to 'press' down the other nations.

And having larger number of armed cutters are of vital importance, not because other nations have x number of similarly or heavier sized ships, but to ensure that there are enough to cover the massive coastline and more of China. When I said in comparison with neighbouring nations, I didn't mean because Japan, or South Korea or even the Phillippines had x number of ships then China must have x number of ships, I mean, taking example of Japan who have so many ships, why couldn't China also build the same number or more of ships without anyone coming in and claim China of being overkill... or again... China threat?

rhino123 said:

If China's ships are decently armed (at least with a 76mm canon), then she wouldn't need to called back for assistance, she could definitely more effectively protected her assets in these islands, and to the outside world, China didn't send any Navy assets to 'press' down the other nations.

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Currently, most of the South Korean, Japanese, and ROC Coast Guard cutters are armed with 20mm guns, and a few are equipped with 35mm or 40mm guns. I'm not in favor of up-gunning for a Coast Guard arms race.

A question: a new 1500T cutter was delivered by Huangpu in Jan/Feb 2014. Does anyone have a photograph of it ?

Thanks

This one?



Some say it is actually 1750t but stated as 1500

delivered ones have number painted on them. They've been delivering 1500 ton and 4000 ton cutters for the past few mont.

I'd have to compare against my photos to see if the one no_name posted is 1500 ton class

Thanks a lot. If that is from Huangpu, that might be it. Was there while it was coming of sea trials but could not get photos.

Anyone have any photos of the 65m 600T vessels ? I saw one in NanTong numbered 5030 and then there was another I saw numbered 8003.

Thanks for any help.

tphuang said:

I'd have to compare against my photos to see if the one no_name posted is 1500 ton class

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I believe this is the model of the ship(minus the side reinforcement) I posted.

Any more news on the Chinese mamouth 10,000+ ton cutters?

Pics, designs, artists depictions?

Does anyone know if any of them have been laid down yet?