joshuatree
Captain
How many cutters are there over 1,000 tons from all neighboring CGs? That can put things into perspective.
China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels
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How many cutters are there over 1,000 tons from all neighboring CGs? That can put things into perspective.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Why does that matter? China CG is reorganizing and modernizing their fleet, so it's no surprise they want new ships to supplement or replace old ones under different organizations that may not suit the new CG.
How many cutters do the Japanese have and many of these cutters are heavily armed. And how many aircraft in Japanese coast guards units did the Japanese have? And how many of China's cutters are heavily armed or armed at all for the matter?
Maybe, looking at that would put things into perspective.
SteelBird
Colonel
I wonder why China does not arm its cutters while its neighbors including Taiwan arm their cutters heavily. Should there be any conflict between, China would be in disadvantage situation although one might claims that the possibility of a conflict is very low.
cn_habs
Junior Member
Well I would assume that in the event some skirmishes arises with a neighboring country there would be no way in hell the Chinese could be faulted for firing the first shot without any on board guns. Then the PLAN would have the right reason to come to the rescue of an armless civilian vessel who could weigh several thousands tonnes.
Blackstone
Brigadier
On the other hand, Japanese CG could say unarmed CCG ship was trying to ram them, so they had to open fire in self defense.
joshuatree
Captain
To illustrate to those that question the number. Smaller nations field a hefty number of large CG vessels. No reason why China can't field a CG that fits her growing economical clout.
That was the point I was getting at.
Then hopefully along with the new digital boards seen on those vessels, surveillance cameras are there too.
Japanese CG has got about 50 1,000+ ton cutters.
Shiretoko class (1200 t, mostly armed with 20mm machine gun x 1, 20 knots) - 10
Oki (1500 t, 20 mm machine gun x 1, helipad, 20 knots) - 1
Erimo class (2000 t, 20 mm machine gun x 1, 35 mm Oerlikon gun x 1 on 6 cutters of the class, helipad, 20 knots) - 7
Hateruma class (1300 ton, 30 mm Bushmaster II x 1, helipad, 30+ knots) - 9
Kunigami class (1700 t, 20 mm machine gun x 1, helipad, 23+ knots) - 2 in service + 10 coming in the next two years. They will form the so clalled 'Senkaku squadron'
Iwami class (1250 t, 30 mm gun (I suspect Bushmaster II) x 1, 21+ knots) - 2 constructed + 4 coming in the next years
Hida class (1800 t, 40 mm Bofors Mk3 x 1, 20 mm RFS mg x 1, helipad, 30+ knots) - 3
Kojima (3200 t, 35 mm mg x 1, 20 mm mg x 1, 12,5mm mg x 1, helipad, 18 knots) - 1, for training puproses
Miura (3200 t, 20 mm mg x 1, 18 knots, helipad) - 1
Izu (3800 t, 20 mm mg x 1, 21 knots, helipad) - 1
Soya (4000 t, 40 mm Bofors x 1, hangar for 1 helicopter, 21 knots) - 1
Tsugaru class (4000 t, 40 mm Bofors/35 Oerlikon x 1, 20 mm mg x 1, hangar for 1 helicopter, 23 knots) - 9
Mizuho class (5300 t, 35 mm Oerlikon x 1, 20 mm mg x 1, hangar for 2 helicopters, 23 knots) - 2
Shikishima class (7100 t, 35 mm double mg x 2, 20 mm mg x 2, hangar for 2 helicopters, 25+ knots) - 2
Thank you. You make my point. China needed more cutters and armed and also needed more aircraft to ensure the safety of her people. So it justify building better, newer and more of these vessels. It just doesn't make sense when anything happen and she had to start sending her navy frigates, destroyers to the troubled area and giving the other an excuse for the China threats theory.