China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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kroko

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DF-31 series missiles are hauled around in 16 meter long canisters and that means both missile have length of 15,5 meters. Biggest difference is that DF-31A has payload shroud covering the RV, bigger bus, and diameter wise larger third stage.

The new chinese ICBM TEL has a longer cannister than the old road-only capable TEL. These are photos taken 6 years ago.

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Its the same truck as this recently spoted TEL. The cannister seem quite similar in size. Compare the two photos from the back.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/attachments/strategic-defense/7606d1362589331-chinese-ballistic-missiles-nuclear-arms-142550qfmm4msuu7j97z9j.jpg

If its not DF-31a (why use a bigger cannister?) then its something bigger, probably an enlonged version, and that could be the basis for CZ-11.
 

Broccoli

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Hans Kristensen wondered same think back in 2009.
What Was Displayed: DF-31A or DF-31?
The Chinese Ministry of National Defense web site carries several pictures (backup copy here) that identify the DF-31A, the long-range version of the DF-31 mobile ICBM, taking part in the parade. No DF-31s were identified. The U.S. intelligence community estimates that the DF-31A with a range of 11,200+ kilometers (6,959+ miles) is capable of striking targets throughout the United States and Europe. The missile is thought to carry a single warhead, was first deployed in 2007, and less than 15 are currently deployed.

The identification is curious because the DF-31A mobile launcher displayed in the 2009 parade is almost identical to the DF-31 launcher displayed in the 1999 parade. I’ve been going through all my images of Chinese mobile launchers and I cannot see any significant difference between the two. The only apparent difference is that the eight-axle truck has been upgraded and painted. But the missile canister on the “DF-31A” launcher appears to have the same dimensions as the one on the DF-31 launcher

And it’s not as if there were two different long-range missile launchers in the area. A satellite image taken on June 23, 2009, and first described in China Brief, shows what appears to be the military vehicles rehearsing at Tongxian Air Base in the outskirts of Beijing in preparation for the parade. A line-up of 14 mobile launchers for long-range missiles all appear to have the same overall dimensions, including a 16-meter missile canister, and appear to be the “DF-31A” launchers identified in the parade (see Figure 2).

Do the DF-31 and DF-31A use the same or a very similar mobile launcher? Or were the launchers displayed in Beijing in fact DF-31s but misidentified on Chinese television and the Chinese Ministry of National Defense web site as DF-31As? It’s hard to imagine the Ministry misidentifying the DF-31 as the DF-31A. But although there are no official public comparisons of the two missiles and their launchers (except the DF-31 has two stages and the DF-31A has three), the DF-31A is assumed to be longer than the DF-31 – 18 meters versus 13 meters, according to Jane’s Strategic Weapons Systems. If so, the launchers displayed at the parade were too short for the DF-31A and must have been for the DF-31.
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Here is good pic of Minuteman ICBM evolution and DF-31 series seems to follow similar path. If DF-31A is armed with one lightweight RV it's not impossible for it to be under 16 meters and still have range more than 11,200+ km, remember that DF-31 series have larger diameter than most other land-based ICBM's.
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Length wise DF-31A is closer to MGM-134 "Midgetman" SICBM and this baby had range more than 11,000km.
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luhai

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the truth is until China shoots DF-31A or DF-41 into the south pacific in a full range test like they did with the DF-5, we'll never know it's true performance.
 

kroko

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Does anyone knows where are the know bases of DF-31a? i know that there are bases in quinqai and hunan, but with a range of 11200 km and using GE measurement, launching from there, it only reaches a small part of continental US and even that is only possible by overflying russian territory

Only launching from NE china, can DF-31a reach the entire US, but it would also have to overfly russian territory. I wonder if there are bases there. Also does the fact that it overflys russia matters anyway?


the truth is until China shoots DF-31A or DF-41 into the south pacific in a full range test like they did with the DF-5, we'll never know it's true performance.

I think that nowadays they are afraid of doing that. West/south pacific is full of US allies. They wont like it. In fact when was the last time that DF-31a was tested? I think it was years ago, which is strange if you think about it.
 

Broccoli

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I think that nowadays they are afraid of doing that. West/south pacific is full of US allies. They wont like it. In fact when was the last time that DF-31a was tested? I think it was years ago, which is strange if you think about it.

If Bill Gertz's sources in Pentagon are right there was four successful DF-31 launches and one successful launch of new ICBM (DF-41?) last year. Some people claim that he's a "neocon hack", but back in the day he received classified NAIC reports from one of he's sources, so he clearly has good relations to people in Pentagon.
 
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kroko

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If Bill Gertz's sources in Pentagon are right there was four successful DF-31 launches and one successful launch of new ICBM (DF-41?) last year. Some people claim that he's a "neocon hack", but back in the day he received classified NAIC reports from one of he's sources, so he clearly has good relations to people in Pentagon.

I give little credibility to bill gertz. Perhabs he had good relations to people in pentagon in the past, but no longer today. Remember the "russian sub in the gulf of mexico" story?

Besides him, anybody else? and what about launching sites in NE china? anything up there?
 

escobar

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the truth is until China shoots DF-31A or DF-41 into the south pacific in a full range test like they did with the DF-5, we'll never know it's true performance.

How we could know DF-31A or DF-41 true performance even with a full range test??
 

escobar

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I think that nowadays they are afraid of doing that. West/south pacific is full of US allies.

With those US X-band radar and russian LPAR covering the entiere china I don't know what they are afraid of...

In fact when was the last time that DF-31a was tested? I think it was years ago, which is strange if you think about it

How we could know that?? All we know is there are a lot of missile tests based on NOTAMs...
 

kroko

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With those US X-band radar and russian LPAR covering the entiere china I don't know what they are afraid of...



How we could know that?? All we know is there are a lot of missile tests based on NOTAMs...

They are afraid of of the negative diplomatic and political impact that launch would have. China depends a lot on trade. Its not worth the bad image that launching a missile into the área would create.

Yes. We all know that there a lot of missile tests. Thats why i was asking in this forum to see if anyone would have knowledge of it beyond a web search.
 
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