Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

Blitzo

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I had the same thoughts too. What does Qiang Jun mean? 强军?

I wonder if the "Q" is adopting the US style tri service designation meaning for the letter, which indicates "UAV" and the J indicates "Jian" for fighter in the Chinese system, but @Jason_ would have to clarify

Personally I'm a fan of giving all future CCA/UCAVs a "GJ" designation, or alternatively just not even giving them any names to begin with.

"Generic high end CCA/UCAV" is perfectly fine.
 

Jason_

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I wonder if the "Q" is adopting the US style tri service designation meaning for the letter, which indicates "UAV" and the J indicates "Jian" for fighter in the Chinese system, but @Jason_ would have to clarify

Personally I'm a fan of giving all future CCA/UCAVs a "GJ" designation, or alternatively just not even giving them any names to begin with.

"Generic high end CCA/UCAV" is perfectly fine.
Its a combination of Qiang Jun (strengthen the military) which the Guancha team invented to distinguish PLA CCA from USAF CCA, and that Q is reminiscent of US designation for drones with J for PLA fighters.
 

Schwerter_

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interesting idea to arrange the "terminal hard kill defense" mentioned by Yang Wei on the side and back air intakes.
I am not a aircraft design expert by any stretch of the imagination, but putting essentially a VLS module in the middle of the ventral intake (which is supposed to be empty for airflow) sounds like a pretty bad idea…

edit: actually it’s in all 3 intakes, even better
 

AndrewS

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After some thought, I am putting forward my ideas of what PLAAF CCAs might look like and what features they might include. Refer to Guancha's article for PLAAF thinkings on CCA. I will update previous infographics.
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Looks good.

Just a few comments:

1. PL-15E is the designation of downgraded export version?

2. A notional QJ-2 would also use the WS-15 engine? I don't expect that much of a cost difference from the WS-10

3. There's supposed to be a specialised super-manoeuvrable WVR CCA in development? If so, my guess is that you want this to be more expendable because it's for WVR combat. So you would use a smaller airframe with maybe a single WS-13 and maybe 2-4 missiles. It also implies that there are tailfin control surfaces as manoeuvrability at supersonic speeds is limited.

It would be a rarer variant as there isn't as much WVR combat occurring and would only have the range for 1IC operations.

4. Following on from point 3, this would imply that the larger CCA variants don't need to prioritise manoeuvrability and can focus on other elements like straight line speed to increase the range of the their air-to-air missiles. So the QJ-1 example could dispense with the TVC and get more thrust/range instead.

5. And if there is a smaller specialised super-manoeuvrable WVR CCA with tailfin control surfaces, then whilst it is difficult to track on x-band engagement radars, it can still be detected with low-frequency radars.

In such a scenario, it makes sense to have expendable Kratos Valkyrie type CCAs to fly ahead with WVRAAMs first.
 

Gloire_bb

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3. There's supposed to be a specialised super-manoeuvrable WVR CCA in development? If so, my guess is that you want this to be more expendable because it's for WVR combat. So you would use a smaller airframe with maybe a single WS-13 and maybe 2-4 missiles. It also implies that there are tailfin control surfaces as manoeuvrability at supersonic speeds is limited.
if i understand correctly, it's more of experiments now everywhere.
Actual WVR dogfighter drone is not so much undoable(though it's indeed future and neither now nor +5 years from now), ratherprohibitively expensive and not worth it.

The way is more expendable weapon carriers with limited own sensor vision, which simply bite whatever designated.

Thus CCAs can be roughly classified as:

Loitering munitions;
Expendable group(weapon carriers);
Penetrative VLO weapon/sensor carriers(not expendable); optionally-manned/unmanned LW fighters probably also here.
sensor and support nodes(not ependable).
 

Biscuits

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This is a strike platform with a designation JH36 I believe. It's designed to replace the jH 7 and H6
Nah you can't replace strategic bomber.

Also in the American conception of PLRS, there is only a concern for ground strike/SEAD. But in the Chinese conception, based on the massive aerodynamic capabilities given to J-36 not present on B-21, the "strike" part of penetrating long range strike does not only mean ground targets, but also air targets. Such as AWACS, tankers, fleeing enemy fighters trying to rtb etc.

As for designation JH or J it's not possible to tell at this point.
 
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