What bsdnf is saying is correct.
This should be the best plane. Send it in first. Send it in - in waves.
The whole point is to wipe out the enemy.
The first battle in an air battle is the most important.
Why mess around.
Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread
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What bsdnf is saying is correct.
This should be the best plane. Send it in first. Send it in - in waves.
The whole point is to wipe out the enemy.
The first battle in an air battle is the most important.
Why mess around.
These are ex USAF pilots with 2k hours in air superiority platforms. They believe that F-16s will be able to shoot them down easily because a tailless delta configuration can never outturn an F-16 in visual range, and that the Chinese actuators for the control surfaces are stone age technology because of how large they are. In fact they are eager to 'dogfight' against it.
Well, in dogfight they're most likely right - and that's one of the reasons why traditional new gen fighters probably won't go anywhere.
But there are these suspicious side appertures and side bays for something - i wonder what they're for...
Goes on to show that hours without an attitude of lifetime learning is useless. Or even less than useless, because you can teach new tricks to a novice, but it's much harder to untrain someone who was trained wrong as a joke.
If USAF has many people like that, they'll get massacred on an unbelievable scale... The "pride" (retardation) of this ex soldier is on par with those French ww1 soldiers running at trenches while dressed in bright blue, or with boxer rebellion soldiers not fearing artillery because they can get up close and chop of the heads of the racially inferior devil artillerymen...
Pretty sure this is just a photoshop of the previous image we have but clipping out the open gear bay doors etc.
It is not about ahead or not, it is the social structure and cultural norm.
Chinese MIC is what they call 大锅饭。A huge pot of food shared by the family. If Chengdu is eating good, Shenyang will most certainly get some scraps. Just a matter of who eat more. It is a different norm than winner takes all approach in US MIC.
Nah, there isn't a way a F-16 can see it to begin with. Not just due to stealth but also EW.
Plus I wouldn't count out J-36 maneuverability just because it's large. It has what, estimated thrust to weight 1.2. And TVC.
J-36 might be in disadvantage to a very optimized air superiority 5th gen in a knife distance dog fight. And it would almost guaranteed be dismantled in a cqc fight by J-XS. But saying a comparative relic like J-10C or F-16V can stand a chance at any range is pushing it very far.
Ultimately this thing is a penetrating long range strike platform, it's China's counterpart or counter to B-21. Strong aerospace performance is intended to help it in the penetration role, not make it some sort of dogfight specialist. That it can still use it's specs, stealth and EW to dismantle old fighters in wvr is a coincidence, not it's main function.
Even a J-7 could out turn an AAM armed B-21 in a dogfight, but that's a pointless observation.
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Dogfight is still predominantely done by eyes. Which is, among other reasons, why outdogfighting humans was still done only in lab tests - actual drone to do it will require certain level of situational awareness and AI to achieve it, more than what's available now.
No verticals is no verticals, no way around that
It likely can manoeuver reasonably well, but f-16v(or, indeed, j-10c) is not exactly a low bar for BCMs.
True! what is most striking to me is that these pilots are not even wrong! they are 100% correct that tailless delta can't outturn conventional layout plane with rudder and rear horizontal stabilizers in visual range! it isn't even cope! They're extremely smug about this, in fact.
but not being wrong does not mean correct, since sometimes, you are on the wrong path to begin with.
True! WVR fighting is indeed not the strong point for JH-36 just as WW2 US marines were disadvantaged in hand to hand against IJA soldiers with swords. IJA had very good swordsmanship.
To be fair, they did note that the 6th gen was all about stealth and wasn't about dog-fighting at the very start. They however never mention it again.