by78
General
Too bad the people who write this nonsense and those who read it, believe it, and then spread it won't go extinct anytime soon.
Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread
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Too bad the people who write this nonsense and those who read it, believe it, and then spread it won't go extinct anytime soon.
they all laughed with so called western conventional wisdom till deepsheeped show up and market melted down.
in that article they only talking about the suit wearing. If they exaggerate and make up something they would talk about significant not just the petty suit. Nothing of your WWII calibur stuffs
The typical tactical aviation AB has 30 front-line aircraft, as such I'd argue the minimum number of J-36s to be acquired for operational units would be 150, not 120.
IMO, I anticipate the eventual figure to be a bit higher, because the ETC/STC will conceivably convert more than just one brigade to the J-36.
Anyone can write an article. What indication is there by the author of that article that he is a credible source, where he has insider access? You really can't just post an article by a random Chinese guy with no prior history and claim that what he wrote down must be true. We are right to be skeptical, and you should obviously be a bit more skeptical, this seems like trying to prove the high altitude high supersonic fantasies by looking for articles that may be written to suggest such claims. It's all complete nonsense.
broadsword
Brigadier
SR-71 pilots had to wear special suits that were modified space suits
But could the J-36 actually fly that high? 36km?
But could the J-36 actually fly that high? 36km?
The burden of proof lies on those making the claims, same as always. A big claim like this requires correspondingly strong evidence, which has not been presented (and is not likely to be).
How many? I haven't seen literally any credible and reputable PLA watchers based in China talking about it.
Is the author of the article:
1. Having a solid background in the studies and understanding of mechanical/aeronautical science/engineering or in related fields?
2. Having extensive proven records of reliability and dependability when it comes to PLA development-watching? and
3. Having exclusive/insider access to the information on the development of the J-36, if not being actual part of the J-36 development team itself?
Because speaking of #3, we actually have the Chief Designer of the J-36 Wang Haifeng himself telling us the following through Yankee of the Guancha Trios:
Wang Haifeng + Guancha Trios versus that no-name article from no-name author of yours - Many of us in this thread already know which one to listen to.
Many of us here in this forum with our Eastern/Sinosphere Conventional Wisdom laughed at the burning garbage that article (and many others of similar quality) spat out. So there's that.
1. Frontal stealth against fifth gen radars will improve, but will be less impactful as fifth gen was primarily focused on frontal stealth. Stealth against lower frequency radars will see huge improvement compared to fifth gen fighter. Rear and side stealth will see significant improvement due to the shape of the sixth gen planes. infrared stealth will improve significantly. Most likely, they can be detected first with their infrared signature, maybe less than 50 km away by another sixth gen aircraft. New technology down the line like quantum radars may extend this range to 100 km or more.
2. Due to sixth gen fighters being the center of a node surrounded by fifth gen fighters and drones, those planes will first detect an incoming sixth gen fighters. It would be rare for two sixth gen fighters to come within detection range of each other without first being detected by the peripheral assets of the node.
3. Drones will act as eyes and to carry extra weapons, they could also be used for aerial refueling so as to extend the loitering time of the node and the drones. Drones will also be used as part of an electronic warfare package with the sixth gen fighter coordinating the signals to be sent to the enemy assets. A drone could also be used as expendable asset to get a clearer picture of the exact location and composition of an enemy fleet like a CSG. In a pinch, drones will be sacrificed to take out missiles directed against sixth gen fighters and other drones (For example, if a drone was damaged and cannot return to base, it could be used either as bait or to block missiles directed at other man or unman assets of the node). The information collected by the drones will be sent back to the sixth gen fighters to be computed. As Patch pointed out, most of the fighting will happen at either high subsonic or ~Mach 1.2 since much higher speed significantly extend the distance the asset can be detected with infrared, the drone will be designed with this top speed as low supersonic or even subsonic to reduce cost. It will be sent in waves, leaving maybe from different airbases and arriving at the battlefield at different times from the sixth gen fighters. It is possible to have a group of drones loitering just beyond the battlefield. They will be sent in to replenish those nodes that either lost some of their drones, or have used up all the weapons of some of their drones so these drone can return to base. A scheme will have to be created to link up the new drones to the nodes.
lcloo
Captain
The flight suit for high altitute flying depnds on either one of following:-
1) the normal operation altitude.
2) whether the cockpit is fully pressurised or partially pressurised.
Any certified scuba diver knows well that rapid depressurisation caused "bend", a decompression sickness caused by excessive nitrogen in our blood vein, can kill the patient if the blood vein burst due to "boiling" of nitrogen. Astronauts usually would breath 100% pure oxygen to purge nitrogen from their body 30 minutes before take off.
Of course J36 is not a rocket and we don't know how high the altitute they will be operating, and we have no idea what their pilots' flight suits would look like. However, historically, pilots of SR-71 and U-2 did have to wear flight suits similar to that of astronauts when they go for high altitute recon missions. This can be factcheck.
1) the normal operation altitude.
2) whether the cockpit is fully pressurised or partially pressurised.
Any certified scuba diver knows well that rapid depressurisation caused "bend", a decompression sickness caused by excessive nitrogen in our blood vein, can kill the patient if the blood vein burst due to "boiling" of nitrogen. Astronauts usually would breath 100% pure oxygen to purge nitrogen from their body 30 minutes before take off.
Of course J36 is not a rocket and we don't know how high the altitute they will be operating, and we have no idea what their pilots' flight suits would look like. However, historically, pilots of SR-71 and U-2 did have to wear flight suits similar to that of astronauts when they go for high altitute recon missions. This can be factcheck.
