Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

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reservior dogs

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siegecrossbow said:
Why is B-21 sixth gen then?
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Each generation comes with certain characteristics, but having some of these characteristics does not make the plane a certain generation. For fighters, once the fifth gen planes like the F-22 and J-20 came out, you need a plane that is vastly superior to these existing fifth gen planes, otherwise why bother building a next gen plane. The next gen airframe by definition must have huge asymmetric advantages against the current generation. How you achieve that is up to the design team.
 
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gongolongo said:
But Chinese and American requirements are different. This doesn't mean the US couldn't produce something like this prototype, it is probably more that it doesn't fit or make sense in the US's arsenal.

The US doesn't have PL-17 equivalents and US relies on carriers meaning the range requirements don't matter as much. The US seems OK with the stealth profile of the F-22 and F-35. Therefore, for the US to actually want to adopt something, it needs to do a lot more that what AVIC/SAIC prototypes even do. I fear the issue is that the US spends too much time figuring that out that China leap frogs them (if that hasn't happened already).
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China has 2x 6th gen programs (plus whatever XAC is working on), while US couldn't even afford a NGAD design that they admited couldn't compete... I think its time we stop with the notion that US can do what China does.

US is OK with F-35's stealth because Americans mentally can't process the idea that you can be seen without being told you've been seen.
 
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zyklon said:
Musk is already launching satellites for the DoD through SpaceX's Starshield division.

Hypersonic missiles might be a bit more offensive than what Musk is accustomed to, but for tens of billions of dollars, he will probably be happy to assist.

If anything, an orbital bombardment platform armed with conventional munitions would be more aligned with SpaceX's existing core competencies.

Musk can even frame it as an asymmetric remedy against the emergent long-range, precision strike capabilities of a certain unnamed peer and an easier to name near peer . . . Might even be cheaper than the NGAD program!
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You talk as though orbital bombardment platform is only the booster.
China is the only country that has tested an orbital bombardment platform too.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1872388199416516998

Yilong responds.

Too bad that the guy across the pond is pretty good at those two things huh.
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A few manned aircraft will die pretty fast against large swarms of unmanned, that's true.
But imagine how fast you'd die against a lot of 6th gen manned PLUS a large swarm of unmanned.

Americans just love their false dichotomy don't they, poor people mindset.
 
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iewgnem said:
A few manned aircraft will die pretty fast against large swarms of unmanned, that's true.
But imagine how fast you'd die against a lot of 6th gen manned PLUS a large swarm of unmanned.

Americans just love their false dichotomy don't they, poor people mindset.
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Exactly. China will be able to crank out unmanned in quantity a lot faster.
 
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