Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

SinoAmericanCW

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Elon Musk puts P.T. Barnum to shame. I fully expect all his businesses to go bankrupt and himself disgraced and possible in jail before the end of the decade.
We need a new name for Elon and his hangers-on wrt air warfare.

I'd suggest the "unmanned mafia", which doubles as both a description of their views and an insult to their manhood.
 

gongolongo

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I mean, USAF's Kendall did go on record to say NGAD had to go back to the drawing board because, in addition to being unaffordable, its current form couldn't meet future challenges, you can't make that decision without justifying it with more concrete intel to Congress.

We know US can spend millions and over a year to write some reports, I think this is just a case where people writing reports don't have access to up to date intel, and the people with intel didn't feel like there's any point in telling the report writers.
But Chinese and American requirements are different. This doesn't mean the US couldn't produce something like this prototype, it is probably more that it doesn't fit or make sense in the US's arsenal.

The US doesn't have PL-17 equivalents and US relies on carriers meaning the range requirements don't matter as much. The US seems OK with the stealth profile of the F-22 and F-35. Therefore, for the US to actually want to adopt something, it needs to do a lot more that what AVIC/SAIC prototypes even do. I fear the issue is that the US spends too much time figuring that out that China leap frogs them (if that hasn't happened already).
 

zyklon

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This development places China firmly in the race with the U.S. NGAD program and Europe’s Future Combat Air System, which aim for operational readiness in the 2030s.

Is the FCAS program even expected to yield a platform without vertical stabilizers? If not, it is likely the Europeans are lagging behind the Chinese, except perhaps in propulsion technology.

However, operational readiness might still be years away, depending on testing results, development iteration and technological maturity.

Considering the timelines of the J-10, J-20 and FC-31/J-35 programs, a realistic timeline for the J-36/CH-AD to reach LRIP is probably 5-10 years. Leaning on the lower end of this range given the pace at which the J-20 program moved forward between 2011 and 2017.

Probably wouldn't bet on seeing this triple engine beast in Beijing come October 2029 though . . .
 

zyklon

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Musk is already launching satellites for the DoD through SpaceX's Starshield division.

Hypersonic missiles might be a bit more offensive than what Musk is accustomed to, but for tens of billions of dollars, he will probably be happy to assist.

If anything, an orbital bombardment platform armed with conventional munitions would be more aligned with SpaceX's existing core competencies.

Musk can even frame it as an asymmetric remedy against the emergent long-range, precision strike capabilities of a certain unnamed peer and an easier to name near peer . . . Might even be cheaper than the NGAD program!
 
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