Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

[reservior dogs]

Evidently US talking about NGAD for 10 years didn't translate into US working on 6th gen for longer did it? Same for everything else.
ASPI has a technology tracker and China dominates aero-propulsion research, and people don't publish research on what already exist.
Then there's the matter of China operating top 3 of the world's fastest supercomputers with combined compute greater than all US supercomputers combined...
The time when US had a small lead was back when US thought it had a commanding lead, by the time US think it has a small lead it's already over.

I started my discussion of the sub-systems to explore the direction and timing of the NGAD. In the absence of (my) knowledge, I want to give benefit of the doubt to the U.S. but I don't have any big conviction on which way things lean. In fact, in the last day, based on people like @vincent and @Michaelsinodef, I am now convinced at least that the Chinese radars, IR/EO are ahead of the U.S. Actually, this spells the doom for the U.S. NGAD program. One of the defining feature is the stronger radar and IR/EO. Once the Chinese takes the lead, there will be no going back. Unless the U.S. can catch up, there is no NGAD. @iBBz has also put forth a very good argument that it is not desirable to have different engines optimized for different flight regimes. Thanks all for the knowledge.

 

[vincent]

I started my discussion of the sub-systems to explore the direction and timing of the NGAD. In the absence of (my) knowledge, I want to give benefit of the doubt to the U.S. but I don't have any big conviction on which way things lean. In fact, in the last day, based on people like @vincent and @Michaelsinodef, I am now convinced at least that the Chinese radars, IR/EO are ahead of the U.S. Actually, this spells the doom for the U.S. NGAD program. One of the defining feature is the stronger radar and IR/EO. Once the Chinese takes the lead, there will be no going back. Unless the U.S. can catch up, there is no NGAD. @iBBz has also put forth a very good argument that it is not desirable to have different engines optimized for different flight regimes. Thanks all for the knowledge.

Courtesy of @00CuriousObserver

https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/vrpur9/_/ieyxcsf

This is the exact opposite of Chinese sensors. They are pretty universally lauded as some of the best in the world by everyone who knows what they're talking about (most importantly, the US Military ourselves), and this is derived from the enormous microelectronics and computing industry present in China. You're free to view TGP footage yourself to see how shakey or non shakey they are. Even their FILAT pod from 2005 is considered on par with SNIPER lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/umy3lz/_/i8fozzl

Modern Chinese sensors are also now easily on par with, if not superior to US equivalents. As I'm sure you're probably aware, the Chinese microelectronics industry is rather large to put it mildly.

They also run a comprehensive EW suite, pack a 24-cell HQ-10 launcher (think RIM-116 with slightly improved range) guided by the internal combat system, which is quite impressive. That part would stray into the realm of things that I shouldn't discuss, but safe to say, it's easily on par with AEGIS CSL, and I'd put it above COMBATSS-21.

If you aren't seeing the picture, the PLA is running modern, networked AESAs and ARH munitions absolutely out the ass these days, whereas we are still developing SM-2MRBlkIII and ESSM Block II (which, if US procurement stays as it has, are a long way off).

 

[siegecrossbow]

comment starterpack for these videos:

It's the Mig25 moment for America
NGAD flew in 2020
Their 6th gen is our 4th gen
Needing 3 engines means their engine tech is trash
It looks similar to the RQ170/B2/<insert american aircraft name> which was made 20 years ago so they are still 20 years behind
I don't know what its capabilities are but all I know is that the F22 is better
can't fly fast without losing stealth coatings because china's material tech is trash
6th gen knockoff from wish/temu/aliexpress
the path from the intake to the engine (in CHAD) is straight so it can't hide the engine fans making it less stealthy from the front (ok this one is actually pretty legit and a big concern of mine as well)

Someone ask the MIG-25 copers whether America during the 60s-70s needed to import hundreds of thousands of H-1B STEMs to compete with the Soviet Union.

 

[reservior dogs]

Someone ask the MIG-25 copers whether America during the 60s-70s needed to import hundreds of thousands of H-1B STEMs to compete with the Soviet Union.

You cannot wake those who pretend to sleep.

 

[simonov]

Is the J-36 IWB use rotary launcher for AAM?

 

[tphuang]

Because it isn't just about volume. It is also about mass, and that third engine will consume more fuel, therefore, I will wait for more solid info than guesswork.

Nobody is saying that J36 won’t consume more fuel per hour than J20. But it’s carrying at least 2x as much fuel.

 

[iewgnem]

Someone ask the MIG-25 copers whether America during the 60s-70s needed to import hundreds of thousands of H-1B STEMs to compete with the Soviet Union.

Regression to superstition is a common phenomenon in the final days of empires.

 

[whatnow]

It's actually quite sad to see how far the Aviationist has fallen in terms of quality content.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875324677779841166

 

[siegecrossbow]

It's actually quite sad to see how far the Aviationist has fallen in terms of quality content.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875324677779841166

If you go the UFO route you’ll open a can of worms best left unopened.

 

[iewgnem]

It's actually quite sad to see how far the Aviationist has fallen in terms of quality content.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875324677779841166

Man the psychological impact CHAD had on Americans might be even greater than imagined if they're debasing themselves this much to cope.