Burning Tankers, the Strait of Hormuz situation 6/2019

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Which is about the same thing isn’t it?

They produced video of Removal of an object from the hull, by What appears to be IRGC
Photos of a magnet still attached to the hull,
Released a report of preliminary analysis of debris that matches a Iranian Limpet.

Disregarding that is basically saying “The US is Lying about this”.
You either say okay the early report is weird but the US has produced evidence. Or you say the US is faking evidence, there by creating a Conspiracy to miss lead the world.
Based solely on a early report and personal opinion. Ergo a Conspiracy theory.

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No, questioning a claim is not the same thing as making a claim to the contrary.

The video you posted shows a bunch of guys in a small boat beside a large ship, and then the small boat moves away.

That's it.

Whether they are Iranians or not is speculation.

Whether they are attaching or removing a mine from the large ship is speculation.

Whether the ship is the tanker that was damaged is speculation.

In fact, we don't even know when and where this video was shot.

What we do know, however, is that the eye witness accounts of the ship operators directly contradicts the US claim of a mine damaging the ship.

You chose to disregard this testimony and believe that the above video is evidence of Iran attacking the tanker. In fact, it is YOUR behavior that bears the hallmarks of a conspiracy theorist.

Jura said:

"retweeting"

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At 00:14 US drone took off from UAE in stealth mode & violated Iranian airspace. It was targeted at 04:05 at the coordinates (25°59'43"N 57°02'25"E) near Kouh-e Mobarak. We've retrieved sections of the US military drone in OUR territorial waters where it was shot down.

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8:20 PM · Jun 20, 2019

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had Iran had the debris, the Pentagon still could've claimed the drone was falling towards Iran

(now the story is "“At the time of the intercept, the RQ-4 was operating at high-altitude approximately 34 kilometers from the nearest point of land on the Iranian coast.: etc. ),

but such a claim would then require a willing suspension of disbelief

solarz said:

No, questioning a claim is not the same thing as making a claim to the contrary.

The video you posted shows a bunch of guys in a small boat beside a large ship, and then the small boat moves away.

That's it.

Whether they are Iranians or not is speculation.

Whether they are attaching or removing a mine from the large ship is speculation.

Whether the ship is the tanker that was damaged is speculation.

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No it’s not Speculation its stated by the USN.Its not theory it’s Stated claim

In fact, we don't even know when and where this video was shot.

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This is speculation the source of the videos is stated photos are stated. You choose to assume them as false.

What we do know, however, is that the eye witness accounts of the ship operators directly contradicts the US claim of a mine damaging the ship.

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no we have a press release from the Shipping company. Hearsay. We do not have Eye witness testimony we have a claim.

You chose to disregard this testimony and believe that the above video is evidence of Iran attacking the tanker. In fact, it is YOUR behavior that bears the hallmarks of a conspiracy theorist.

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Hearsay evidence treated as Eyewitness testimony, disregarding physical evidence and testimony of experts in favor or a narrative.

Jura said:

four miles or so off the coast:

should be interesting if Iran showed the debris

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now added the US claim (approximately of course, based on:

found in the tweet )
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it was a unmanned drone basically a robot no one was killed

are humans going to kill each other over robot ? the irony

solarz said:

In fact, we don't even know when and where this video was shot.

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In case you were Not aware the USN released non FLIR video of the same and oh yeah the Video has a time stamp visible on the upper right of the image.



Well I am posting links might I point out that back in May we started hearing about this kind of thing.

asif iqbal said:

it was a unmanned drone basically a robot no one was killed

are humans going to kill each other over robot ? the irony

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No war yet.
What is more pressing is attacks on commercial shipping which has started wars in the past. In fact Iran took a beating after doing this Thirty Year’s ago.
The Drone at best would be Icing on top.
What is shows is that Iran is more than willing to try and lash out at anything in the strait.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

No it’s not Speculation its stated by the USN.Its not theory it’s Stated claim
This is speculation the source of the videos is stated photos are stated. You choose to assume them as false.
no we have a press release from the Shipping company. Hearsay. We do not have Eye witness testimony we have a claim.

Hearsay evidence treated as Eyewitness testimony, disregarding physical evidence and testimony of experts in favor or a narrative.

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You confuse evidence with assertions.

The video is evidence. The USN's statements of what the video shows are assertions.

Anyway, my purpose was to ascertain whether you had any actual evidence. Now that it's sufficiently clear that you do not, I think our conversation can end here. You are free to believe what you want.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

In case you were Not aware the USN released non FLIR video of the same and oh yeah the Video has a time stamp visible on the upper right of the image.

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That's nice, but it doesn't answer any of my other questions.

I've been arguing for years here the cost should be calculated as

program cost divided by number of units

of course now I see
21 min ago
The downed US drone cost about $110 million, Navy official says

while according to me it'd be ( numbers)
something like 10000/42 which is about 238


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TerraN_EmpirE said:

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No war yet.
What is more pressing is attacks on commercial shipping which has started wars in the past. In fact Iran took a beating after doing this Thirty Year’s ago.
The Drone at best would be Icing on top.
What is shows is that Iran is more than willing to try and lash out at anything in the strait.

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There is no evidence the tankers were attacked by Iran only fake news and I don't believe they would do such a thing

That was a Gulf of Tonkin type incident and no one in there international community is buying it

even members of the US congress aren't convinced

solarz said:

You confuse evidence with assertions.

The video is evidence. The USN's statements of what the video shows are assertions.

Anyway, my purpose was to ascertain whether you had any actual evidence. Now that it's sufficiently clear that you do not, I think our conversation can end here. You are free to believe what you want.



That's nice, but it doesn't answer any of my other questions.

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All you would need to do to know if it’s the same Ship is look at the hull markings.
But that doesn’t matter to you.
The USN has released the photos the reports.
And the rebuke?
A hearsay report from someone who is thousands of miles away and claims of Fake news and conspiracy to mislead the world and false flag. So far a case is being made evidence presented like a court case the prosecution has laid out a security camera video, forensics and thus far the Defence only produced hearsay that would be tossed by any Judge worth the robes, and Conspiracy <IE FAKE NEWS> rejection of the evidence and a claim of wanting war.

Oh Congress isn’t sold.. have they even been briefed yet? Is it individuals who even are involved or is it the usual suspects who are shocked by a garbage disposal?