Burning Tankers, the Strait of Hormuz situation 6/2019

If Trump isn't interested in an Iran war because it might jeopardize his election chances he needs to fire Bolton.

The fact that he hasn't fired Bolton implies that Bolton somehow got him by the balls. Out of all the other officials, Bolton seems to be the only one that can make Trump backtrack on his statements and openly contradict him.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Given your political leanings you are skeptical you mean.

It’s a huge risk to recover the mine without reason.
The Mine was their as it failed to detonate. At any moment for any reason the failed detonator, could detonate. It’s an explosion waiting to happen. The USN was already making plans to tow her into port where EOD would have disarmed, removed and dissected the bomb for forensics. So why send a bunch of IRGC to pull it off the hull?

The reason this is pretty damning though is that the Mine once defused is evidence undeniable evidence as it’s manufacturer would have left a signature in markings, materials and parts. Had the mine entered a US Naval facility you would have all that on display.
If this is an Iranian Limpet it would have Iranian proof marks, makers marks Persian warning markings, more forensics that would point to the maker.

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Same can be said for you. Your politics is preventing you from being objective and being a reliable source. Clearly you have more of an agenda from when you started this thread.

Regardless, this is no smoking gun and does not deny the propensity for US to fabricate evidence and narrative. Skepticism is healthy for serious accusation such as this.

I doubt it was a sea mine. If it was the hole would be below the water line.
I doubt there any sea mines that jumps out of the water to detonate since it would lessen the damage not increase the damage to the vessel.

Jura said:

I've been arguing for years here the cost should be calculated as

program cost divided by number of units

of course now I see

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21 min ago
The downed US drone cost about $110 million, Navy official says

while according to me it'd be (

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numbers)
something like 10000/42 which is about 238

Nov 12, 2018

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Actually it cost $200 million
The U.S. Drone Shot Down by Iran Is a $200 Million Prototype Spy Plane

Hendrik_2000 said:

Actually it cost $200 million
The U.S. Drone Shot Down by Iran Is a $200 Million Prototype Spy Plane

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Do we know what SAM took down the RQ4, other then the S300, Iran continues to operate the hawk SAM. The video clip of the downing showed a vertical launch missile.

SamuraiBlue said:

I doubt it was a sea mine. If it was the hole would be below the water line.
I doubt there any sea mines that jumps out of the water to detonate since it would lessen the damage not increase the damage to the vessel.

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It’s not said to be a sea mine it’s said to be a Limpet mine.
A Limpet mine is a Expensive charge with a magnetic base. That is attached to the hull by hand.

As such it doesn’t jump out of the water on its own. The method of attaching in this case is likely the method of removal at some point along its travel a small boat pulled along side the Tanker and mounted the mines to the hull then sped away.

Dolcevita said:

Same can be said for you. Your politics is preventing you from being objective and being a reliable source. Clearly you have more of an agenda from when you started this thread.

Regardless, this is no smoking gun and does not deny the propensity for US to fabricate evidence and narrative. Skepticism is healthy for serious accusation such as this.

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Unreliable source? Objective?

This is what number five by my count of times denying the produced evidence, and claiming that the US is producing a fiction.
Which is a Conspiracy Theory.
You are saying straight up that the US as fabricated the Evidence it has produced in order to push a narrative without producing evidence of your own other than the line that
Claiming a “propensity for US to fabricate evidence and narrative.”
Which is either referencing conspiracy theory or narrative that you view as legitimate based on your political spectrum.

So I will say this again.
If you claim that the US is fabricating this then you are pushing a conspiracy by the US Government to frame the Iranian Revolutionary Guard corps without visible evidence other than a personal bias.
This is either to create a False Flag narrative.
Create the Fake news Narrative which is tent amount to the same.
Deflect away from some other party which boils down to the same.

Hendrik_2000 said:

Actually it cost $200 million
The U.S. Drone Shot Down by Iran Is a $200 Million Prototype Spy Plane

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out of my Yesterday at 10:26 PM post you quoted, did you read the segments other than the CNN headline? I think you didn't, so I repost them:

I've been arguing for years here the cost should be calculated as

program cost divided by number of units

of course now I see
21 min ago
[intentionally skipping the headline now]

while according to me it'd be ( numbers)
something like 10000/42 which is about 238


Nov 12, 2018



my point has been it's the Pentagon's spin to say the drone was 110m or 200m, because the development etc. cost should've been included in a real price

while I slept
New York Times: Trump abruptly calls off military strikes against Iran after approving them

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

All you would need to do to know if it’s the same Ship is look at the hull markings.
But that doesn’t matter to you.
The USN has released the photos the reports.
And the rebuke?
A hearsay report from someone who is thousands of miles away and claims of Fake news and conspiracy to mislead the world and false flag. So far a case is being made evidence presented like a court case the prosecution has laid out a security camera video, forensics and thus far the Defence only produced hearsay that would be tossed by any Judge worth the robes, and Conspiracy <IE FAKE NEWS> rejection of the evidence and a claim of wanting war.

Oh Congress isn’t sold.. have they even been briefed yet? Is it individuals who even are involved or is it the usual suspects who are shocked by a garbage disposal?

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USN has videos showing a ship probably belonging to Iran disarmed a mine on a ship, after a previous explosion on the same ship.

The ship was in good condition generally as I saw.

So, with the current information it can be nothing else just the Iranian coast guard removed a dangerous explosive , that in the case of detonation can create environmental danger in they littoral waters.

I am sure if there is a limped mine on a ship sailing few dozens miles from the US coast then the coast guards will do a similar manoeuvre to disable the device.