BRICS & New World Order Thread

[TK3600]

The problem with admitting all these small economically countries into BRICS is that the organisation starts to lose it's purpose. What's the criteria for not letting a country in? Can any country that aligns politically or economically with China get to join?

BRICS ought to serve as a counterpart to the G7. When founded, G7 was the largest 7 aligned economies in the world. Things have changed a little since it was founded, but the principle is still there.

It should be limited to $1 trillion+ economies only. South Africa was only really admitted for political reasons, but it would be rude to kick them out. Presently I think only Indonesia and Mexico are the countries that need to be admitted. A seat to the GCC would be a good idea, since they virtually operate as a country.

But the likes of Argentina, Turkey or Nigeria, no. They can join the SCO or the BRI.

I think BRICS expansion makes a lot of sense. They are the most relevant country in the respective region. Russia in Eastern Europe. China in East Asia. Iran and Saudi Arabia in Middle East. Nigeria in West Africa. Brazil and Argentina in South America. The idea is to box in West Europe and North America because G7 is entirely concentrated in those region. If G7 are at odds with BRICS member in their local region, they will lose in that region. If G7 cannot influence regions outside their own, they cease to be relevant.

In short it is about recruiting various regional power to block G7 influence in the respective region, and therefore making G7 irrelevant.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

South Africa has confirmed that 23 countries are aspiring to join BRICS.

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These countries are:
1. Algeria
2. Argentina
3. Bangladesh
4. Bahrain
5. Belarus
6. Bolivia
7. Cuba
8. Egypt
9. Ethiopia
10. Honduras
11. Indonesia
12. Iran
13. Kazakhstan
14. Kuwait
15. Morocco
16. Nigeria
17. Palestine
18. Saudi Arabia
19. Senegal
20. Thailand
21. United Arab Emirates
22. Venezuela, and
23. Vietnam.

 

[TK3600]

South Africa has confirmed that 23 countries are aspiring to join BRICS.

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These countries are:
1. Algeria
2. Argentina
3. Bangladesh
4. Bahrain
5. Belarus
6. Bolivia
7. Cuba
8. Egypt
9. Ethiopia
10. Honduras
11. Indonesia
12. Iran
13. Kazakhstan
14. Kuwait
15. Morocco
16. Nigeria
17. Palestine
18. Saudi Arabia
19. Senegal
20. Thailand
21. United Arab Emirates
22. Venezuela, and
23. Vietnam.

Some of them are pretty important, worthy of G7 equivalents. Marked them in bold. They tend to be well off economically and packs a punch militarily as well. Often they are also high in strategic resources, which can't be said of most G7 members.

 

[tphuang]

Some of them are pretty important, worthy of G7 equivalents. Marked them in bold. They tend to be well off economically and packs a punch militarily as well. Often they are also high in strategic resources, which can't be said of most G7 members.

of course, but keep in mind that oil will become less important going forward, whereas Lithium producing countries (like Argentina) will become more important.

Kazakhstan is important due to the Uranium reserves and role in BRI.

Vietnam has world's 2nd largest rare earth reserves. Despite having a portion of population being wildly anti-China, it can't really afford to antagonize China. Worth supporting their bid in exchange for certain concessions & more pro-China policies.

Just longer term wrt to Vietnam. I think by itself, it will be economically larger than SK in 30 years. Not a bad idea to see if you can get Vietnam further into your orbit rather than just stay as an annoyance that Western powers continue to nudge.

 

[Quan8410]

Vietnam has world's 2nd largest rare earth reserves. Despite having a portion of population being wildly anti-China, it can't really afford to antagonize China. Worth supporting their bid in exchange for certain concessions & more pro-China policies.

Just longer term wrt to Vietnam. I think by itself, it will be economically larger than SK in 30 years. Not a bad idea to see if you can get Vietnam further into your orbit rather than just stay as an annoyance that Western powers continue to nudge.

It can be antagonizing China, when all current leaders stepped down. Current leaders know the cost of 1979-1991 period, future leaders are being sent to US as Fulbright scholars. These young leaders are hardcore nationalist and anti-communist.

Vietnamese economy relied heavily on FDI. It has no tech, no industry, just being a place to re-export Chinese goods cannot make you bigger than South Korea. If that simple, Thailand should pass SK long ago. Vietnam is not escaping demographic decline either. It is predicted that Vietnam will have super aging society in about 20 years, even faster than China and SK.

 

[Canton_pop]

South Africa has confirmed that 23 countries are aspiring to join BRICS.

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View attachment 117110

These countries are:
1. Algeria
2. Argentina
3. Bangladesh
4. Bahrain
5. Belarus
6. Bolivia
7. Cuba
8. Egypt
9. Ethiopia
10. Honduras
11. Indonesia
12. Iran
13. Kazakhstan
14. Kuwait
15. Morocco
16. Nigeria
17. Palestine
18. Saudi Arabia
19. Senegal
20. Thailand
21. United Arab Emirates
22. Venezuela, and
23. Vietnam.

Shit-stirrer will stirrrrrrr

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It can be antagonizing China, when all current leaders stepped down. Current leaders know the cost of 1979-1991 period, future leaders are being sent to US as Fulbright scholars. These young leaders are hardcore nationalist and anti-communist.

Vietnamese economy relied heavily on FDI. It has no tech, no industry, just being a place to re-export Chinese goods cannot make you bigger than South Korea. If that simple, Thailand should pass SK long ago. Vietnam is not escaping demographic decline either. It is predicted that Vietnam will have super aging society in about 20 years, even faster than China and SK.

well, going to the US as Fulbright scholars works great to make people pro-US if the US is actually really great, with amazing infrastructure, rule of law, no homeless on the street, no druggies, no trash, everyone is honest, open minded, happy, the government is highly effective and responsive to the needs of the citizens, etc.

Do you believe this to be the case?

 

[Quan8410]

well, going to the US as Fulbright scholars works great to make people pro-US if the US is actually really great, with amazing infrastructure, rule of law, no homeless on the street, no druggies, no trash, everyone is honest, open minded, happy, the government is highly effective and responsive to the needs of the citizens, etc.

Do you believe this to be the case?

US despite being far from great still infinitely better than Vietnam. China is indeed better than US in many ways so Chinese have something to be proud of and not turned to Hanjian. Vietnam have development of the 80s China with the possibility of get out of the middle income trap is zero, and an ultra corrupt goverment. They have very less to be proud of compared to the Chinese. You just need to come to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh, it look like just like China in the 80s but the property prices already very close to current China.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

US despite being far from great still infinitely better than Vietnam. China is indeed better than US in many ways so Chinese have something to be proud of and not turned to Hanjian. Vietnam have development of the 80s China with the possibility of get out of the middle income trap is zero, and an ultra corrupt goverment. They have very less to be proud of compared to the Chinese. You just need to come to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh, it look like just like China in the 80s but the property prices already very close to current China.

Based on interviews with Vietnamese and travels of Vietnamese to China, Vietnam doesn't look that bad, and Vietnamese seem to have good impressions of China (although I cannot be sure they're not Hoa, I doubt this random sample is all Hoa).

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[Quan8410]

Based on interviews with Vietnamese and travels of Vietnamese to China, Vietnam doesn't look that bad, and Vietnamese seem to have good impressions of China (although I cannot be sure they're not Hoa, I doubt this random sample is all Hoa).

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Based on how they look and sound, these Vietnamese came from North or Northeastern Vietnam, which have extensive trade with China and some provinces share borders with China, so their impression is better. The more you head south, the more anti-china is. Barbie ban in Vietnam is the result of such paranoia where every dashed line must be the nine-dashed line. If you watch mainstream tv or journals, the anti-china theme is still very obvious, they frequently just translate news from BBC, CNN, Bloomberg.