BRICS & New World Order Thread

[Abominable]

it's been rumored for a while that both India & Brazil are cautious about expansion and you can see why.

Anyone joining BRICS would be seen with motively partly to get closer to China, so BRICS expansion helps China. Russia is isolated by west, so expansion of BRICS also helps its power. South Africa has very little power, so expanding BRICS helps its position as a founding member.

On the other hand, both India & Brazil are powers in their own right, so expanding BRICS diminishes their influence within BRICS.

As such, they are likely to only favor countries that they are friendly with like Argentina for example. We will see, if I had my choice, I'd rank desirability as:

Indonesia
Saudi
Argentina
Iran
UAE
Nigeria

A lot of places with resources, population. We will see. One that represent global south would be one that China can grow its strength while giving it some cover

The problem with admitting all these small economically countries into BRICS is that the organisation starts to lose it's purpose. What's the criteria for not letting a country in? Can any country that aligns politically or economically with China get to join?

BRICS ought to serve as a counterpart to the G7. When founded, G7 was the largest 7 aligned economies in the world. Things have changed a little since it was founded, but the principle is still there.

It should be limited to $1 trillion+ economies only. South Africa was only really admitted for political reasons, but it would be rude to kick them out. Presently I think only Indonesia and Mexico are the countries that need to be admitted. A seat to the GCC would be a good idea, since they virtually operate as a country.

But the likes of Argentina, Turkey or Nigeria, no. They can join the SCO or the BRI.

 

[Africablack]

The problem with admitting all these small economically countries into BRICS is that the organisation starts to lose it's purpose. What's the criteria for not letting a country in? Can any country that aligns politically or economically with China get to join?

BRICS ought to serve as a counterpart to the G7. When founded, G7 was the largest 7 aligned economies in the world. Things have changed a little since it was founded, but the principle is still there.

It should be limited to $1 trillion+ economies only. South Africa was only really admitted for political reasons, but it would be rude to kick them out. Presently I think only Indonesia and Mexico are the countries that need to be admitted. A seat to the GCC would be a good idea, since they virtually operate as a country.

But the likes of Argentina, Turkey or Nigeria, no. They can join the SCO or the BRI.

Nigeria is the largest economy in Africa. It makes sense to let them in.

 

[Minm]

The problem with admitting all these small economically countries into BRICS is that the organisation starts to lose it's purpose. What's the criteria for not letting a country in? Can any country that aligns politically or economically with China get to join?

BRICS ought to serve as a counterpart to the G7. When founded, G7 was the largest 7 aligned economies in the world. Things have changed a little since it was founded, but the principle is still there.

It should be limited to $1 trillion+ economies only. South Africa was only really admitted for political reasons, but it would be rude to kick them out. Presently I think only Indonesia and Mexico are the countries that need to be admitted. A seat to the GCC would be a good idea, since they virtually operate as a country.

But the likes of Argentina, Turkey or Nigeria, no. They can join the SCO or the BRI.

The organisation already doesn't really have a purpose. They don't start any global initiatives like the G7 do. The main purpose is the new development bank and the more countries join that the better. At this point, regular summits with other brics nations just serve to create more understanding of each other and ensure members are more friendly to China than they otherwise would be

China has initiatives like the global security and development initiatives, but they didn't come out of brics and they work with the UN

 

[pbd456]

Nigeria is the largest economy in Africa. It makes sense to let them in.

Isn't Nigeria just act like lapdog of US and France?
It may invade Niger I support of democracy with the support of US and France.

 

[tphuang]

Isn't Nigeria just act like lapdog of US and France?
It may invade Niger I support of democracy with the support of US and France.

Nigeria maybe one of the more pro-China countries out there.

 

[Africablack]

Isn't Nigeria just act like lapdog of US and France?
It may invade Niger I support of democracy with the support of US and France.

It's nobody's lapdog. If you're referring to what's going on presently with Niger, it's currently pursuing its own interests. It's the big brother of the West African region and it doesn't want a coup ridden-Wagner controlled Sahel. It just so happens it's interests align with western interests but outside of that it's not a lapdog for the west. It deals with everyone, including China.

 

[ansy1968]

It's nobody's lapdog. If you're referring to what's going on presently with Niger, it's currently pursuing its own interests. It's the big brother of the West African region and it doesn't want a coup ridden-Wagner controlled Sahel. It just so happens it's interests align with western interests but outside of that it's not a lapdog for the west. It deals with everyone, including China.

Bro can you educate me if Nigeria and Niger are part of a one big country before the French arrival?

 

[Africablack]

Bro can you educate me if Nigeria and Niger are part of a one big country before the French arrival?

No. The current borders were drawn up by Europeans. The French took most of West Africa but the British had a significant presence there. Out of all west African countries only 4 were British colonies (Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, and The Gambia), 2 Portuguese (Cabo Verde, Sao Tome e Principe), one American (Liberia) and the rest were French. There weren't countries as such, there were Kingdoms and autonomous communities. In what is now Northern Nigeria you had the Sokoto Caliphate ruled by the Fulani which stretched from parts of today's Mali, Niger, and North West Nigeria and you had the Kanem-Borno Empire, ruled by the Kanuri which is also part of today's south eastern Niger, northern Cameroon and North Eastern Nigeria. When the Europeans got there they just sliced up parts of these Kingdoms and incorporated them into their spheres of influence. A northern Nigerian has more in common culturally with a Nigerien from Niger than he does with a southern Nigerian. A Nigerian from South East section of the country has far more in common with a south western Cameroonian than he does with a Northern Nigerian, who is supposed to be his country man, with the only major difference being that one side speaks French while the other speaks English due to past colonial influences. Now you can understand why there are so many wars.

 

[ansy1968]

No. The current borders were drawn up by Europeans. The French took most of West Africa but the British had a significant presence there. Out of all west African countries only 4 were British colonies (Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, and The Gambia), 2 Portuguese (Cabo Verde, Sao Tome e Principe), one American (Liberia) and the rest were French. There weren't countries as such, there were Kingdoms and autonomous communities. In what is now Northern Nigeria you had the Sokoto Caliphate ruled by the Fulani which stretched from parts of today's Mali, Niger, and North West Nigeria and you had the Kanem-Borno Empire, ruled by the Kanuri which is also part of today's south eastern Niger, northern Cameroon and North Eastern Nigeria. When the Europeans got there they just sliced up parts of these Kingdoms and incorporated them into their spheres of influence. A northern Nigerian has more in common culturally with a Nigerien from Niger than he does with a southern Nigerian. A Nigerian from South East section of the country has far more in common with a south western Cameroonian than he does with a Northern Nigerian, who is supposed to be his country man, with the only major difference being that one side speaks French while the other speaks English due to past colonial influences. Now you can understand why there are so many wars.

Thanks bro appreciated, the European really mess up Africa and its wrong doing should be known to all not censured.

 

[olalavn]

that's big picture in the future...
67 leaders from Africa and the Global South to attend the BRICS-Africa outreach and BRICS Plus dialogues

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