BRICS & New World Order Thread

[Serb]

What would China even gain today from the BRICS expansion that it isn't already getting through the bilateral relations with all of those aspiring countries already?

The way I see this, the BRICS and SCO are totally inefficient and divided to do anything substantial. It's only beneficial in terms of symbolic and rhetorical powers.

BRICS and SCO are past time tools China used in 2001 for example to blunt Western hegemony by joining forces with other at that time regional powers.

But now China has grown so much on its own that it doesn't need to hide between other countries anymore, instead, it can form real strong bilateral relations all around the globe and it is a global superpower and a bi-multipolar block on its own, even without Russia for example.

 

[Maikeru]

Seems the objections to expansion have withered away:

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[AndrewS]

What would China even gain today from the BRICS expansion that it isn't already getting through the bilateral relations with all of those aspiring countries already?

The way I see this, the BRICS and SCO are totally inefficient and divided to do anything substantial. It's only beneficial in terms of symbolic and rhetorical powers.

Remember that the Western narrative has been dominant for so long, but the West only accounts for 15% of global population and lives in its own reality bubble (like everyone in the world).

So a larger BRICS and SCO will have more symbolic and rhetorical authority, and provide a contrasting narrative.

And when the non-Western world (comprising 85% of the global population) is presented with 2 different narratives, they can decide which narrative is accurate.

BRICS and SCO are past time tools China used in 2001 for example to blunt Western hegemony by joining forces with other at that time regional powers.

But now China has grown so much on its own that it doesn't need to hide between other countries anymore, instead, it can form real strong bilateral relations all around the globe and it is a global superpower and a bi-multipolar block on its own, even without Russia for example.

 

[taxiya]

What would China even gain today from the BRICS expansion that it isn't already getting through the bilateral relations with all of those aspiring countries already?

The way I see this, the BRICS and SCO are totally inefficient and divided to do anything substantial. It's only beneficial in terms of symbolic and rhetorical powers.

BRICS and SCO are past time tools China used in 2001 for example to blunt Western hegemony by joining forces with other at that time regional powers.

But now China has grown so much on its own that it doesn't need to hide between other countries anymore, instead, it can form real strong bilateral relations all around the globe and it is a global superpower and a bi-multipolar block on its own, even without Russia for example.

Chinese has a phrase "挟天子以令诸侯", roughly means "speak on behalf of the emperor". Even though the emperor is just a puppet/facade, his moral authority is still extremely valuable.

China and US are one of many even though they are the most powerfull ones. They need a facade to lead the rest. That is why international orgnizations are extremely important for their intrests even though those orgnizations are ineffective. US dares to "represent" the world when it only represent G7 and NATO (minorities of the world), think about the impact when China claim representing the world with a much larger BRICS and SCO (a true majority of the world if expanded).

Also remember, expansion benefits the one who has better relationship with most members, it only dilute the influence of the existing weaker members. China certainly benefits from the expansion than India and Brazil, that is whey they resist. When Saudi, Iran, Argentina and Indonesia etcs. join, who do you think they will rally around?

 

[4Runner]

What would China even gain today from the BRICS expansion that it isn't already getting through the bilateral relations with all of those aspiring countries already?

The way I see this, the BRICS and SCO are totally inefficient and divided to do anything substantial. It's only beneficial in terms of symbolic and rhetorical powers.

BRICS and SCO are past time tools China used in 2001 for example to blunt Western hegemony by joining forces with other at that time regional powers.

But now China has grown so much on its own that it doesn't need to hide between other countries anymore, instead, it can form real strong bilateral relations all around the globe and it is a global superpower and a bi-multipolar block on its own, even without Russia for example.

China's current diplomatic priorities are: (1) Global South; (2) RCEP; (3) neighbors. For orgs like BRICS or SCO or RCEP, the larger the better for China. For all practical purposes, any org without US would look like a China-centric org, at least from the American angle. Brazil's fears are understandable. Once countries like Indonesia and Saudi are admitted, Brazil would be losing its relative weight. So is India, to a lesser degree. Russia has no choice because Global South is its savior. SA was lucky to be there in the first place (rumor says it was China who insisted on admitting SA way back then) and representing Africa.

So the picture is clear. There is nothing to lose for China. But that cannot be said for the other 4, under various considerations.

 

[broadsword]

In media-speak, an expanded BRICS represent the world just as those few rich nations purportedly represent their world. The more real world will be able to speak with one voice when currently there is no economic organization representing them.

 

[AndrewS]

In media-speak, an expanded BRICS represent the world just as those few rich nations purportedly represent their world. The more real world will be able to speak with one voice when currently there is no economic organization representing them.

Yes

The Global South accounts for 85% of the global population and 60% of global economic activity.

This would be a majority of the world, and would have differing priorities to the West.

 

[KYli]

MSM's propaganda of India and Brazil not supporting expanding memberships seems to be fake or at least overblown. Both India and Brazil have indicated that they would support the expansion.

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[Canton_pop]

What would China even gain today from the BRICS expansion that it isn't already getting through the bilateral relations with all of those aspiring countries already?

The way I see this, the BRICS and SCO are totally inefficient and divided to do anything substantial. It's only beneficial in terms of symbolic and rhetorical powers.

BRICS and SCO are past time tools China used in 2001 for example to blunt Western hegemony by joining forces with other at that time regional powers.

But now China has grown so much on its own that it doesn't need to hide between other countries anymore, instead, it can form real strong bilateral relations all around the globe and it is a global superpower and a bi-multipolar block on its own, even without Russia for example.u

China should just concentrate on getting more countries to join the BRI and sets it's own terms -use Renminbi as the main currency , dangle perks for BRI club exclusivity - access to BRI bank loans for ..... infrastructures- rail road, high speed, ports, space exploration partnership, beidou sharing, 5G, 6G, space station sharing, exclusive military purchase for J-31, DF17E, 550E, HQ systems, maritime port sharing and etc.

 

[TK3600]

China will do both thank you very much. No need to pick and choose.

BRI for economic hard power.

BRICS+ for global narrative soft power.