BRICS & New World Order Thread

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ACuriousPLAFan

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ansy1968 said:
When you have Indonesia and Thailand you have ASEAN, the rest is an outlier.
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Vietnam and Malaysia should also be taken into account. Both of them are also active participants in the maritime dispute in the SCS as well, to begin with.

Malaysia is strategically located at the mouth and bordering the Malacca Strait, of which West Malaysia (alongside Sumatra, Bataan and Singapore) guards the strait's entrance into the Indian Ocean. Securing Putrajaya's cooperation to remain neutral in case of war means that China could be granted a freer hand commit some forces in the Malacca Strait and Andaman Sea regions, which is highly useful towards dealing with the highly-probable unwelcomed presence of the Indian Navy in the Andaman Islands and the aforementioned regions.
(This case is also applicable for Singapore and Indonesia.)

Vietnam isn't just bordering China's Guangxi and Yunnan, but also borders a huge portion of China's Nine Dash Line claim in the SCS with its coastline, alongside Beijing's firm allies in Indochina, i.e. Cambodia and Laos. Securing Hanoi's cooperation to remain neutral could bring not just less interference on the PLAAF, PLAN and CCG activities in the SCS by the VPN and VCG in case of war, alongside preventing Vietnam from becoming a staging ground for Western-funded separatists, extremists and terrorists to wreck havoc in the Indochina region, which may cause spillovers into Guangxi and Yunnan.

Note:
SCS = South China Sea
PLAAF = People's Liberation Army Air Force
PLAN = People's Liberation Navy
China = China Coast Guard
VPN = Vietnam People's Navy
VCG = Vietnam Coast Guard
Putrajaya = Capital of Malaysia
Hanoi = Capital of Vietnam
 
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ansy1968

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Vietnam and Malaysia should also be taken into account. Both of them are also active participants in the maritime dispute in the SCS as well, to begin with.

Malaysia is strategically located at the mouth and bordering the Malacca Strait, of which West Malaysia (alongside Sumatra, Bataan and Singapore) guards the strait's entrance into the Indian Ocean. Securing Putrajaya's cooperation to remain neutral in case of war means that China could be granted a freer hand commit some forces in the Malacca Strait and Andaman Sea regions, which is highly useful towards dealing with the highly-probable unwelcomed presence of the Indian Navy in the Andaman Islands and the aforementioned regions.
(This case is also applicable for Singapore and Indonesia.)

Vietnam isn't just bordering China's Guangxi and Yunnan, but also borders a huge portion of China's Nine Dash Line claim in the SCS with its coastline, alongside Beijing's firm allies in Indochina, i.e. Cambodia and Laos. Securing Hanoi's cooperation to remain neutral could bring not just less interference on the PLAAF, PLAN and CCG activities in the SCS by the VPN and VCG in case of war, alongside preventing Vietnam from becoming a staging ground for Western-funded separatists, extremists and terrorists to wreck havoc in the Indochina region, which may cause spillovers into Guangxi and Yunnan.

Note:
SCS = South China Sea
PLAAF = People's Liberation Army Air Force
PLAN = People's Liberation Navy
China = China Coast Guard
VPN = Vietnam People's Navy
VCG = Vietnam Coast Guard
Putrajaya = Capital of Malaysia
Hanoi = Capital of Vietnam
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Agree with you bro BUT Indonesia strategic island of Sumatra is the key to solve the Malacca straight conundrum for the Chinese and of Thailand in the Indian ocean. Why are the Five eyes especially Australia want to balkanized Indonesia, it sit on a prime real estate in Asia. Many thought the Philippine is the ideal spring board to contained China BUT with the advent of modern military technology, it nullify its advantage and become another liability for the Collective West (again the US need to spread its already depleted asset to protect its vassals like the Roman did to Hannibal in the aftermath of Cannae during the Second Punic War).

The Indonesian knew of their vulnerability trying to hedge both side as they're trying to recover economically from the 1997 economic crisis. But Widodo had decided to act due to several factor.

1) because of the War in Ukraine

2) Sanction on Russia and freezing its foreign currency reserves

3) The Rise of China and of the Multipolar World.

4) And the one who broke the camel's back, AUKUS.
 
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fwiw, this thread and general threads in this sub-forum should not get into geopolitics. It's more for economics, tech & other stuff. If you are want to make this geopolitics, I think we should be moving this to strategic defense.

How does everyone think? should we move this to that sub-forum?
 
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tphuang said:
fwiw, this thread and general threads in this sub-forum should not get into geopolitics. It's more for economics, tech & other stuff. If you are want to make this geopolitics, I think we should be moving this to strategic defense.

How does everyone think? should we move this to that sub-forum?
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Probably not, let's just delineate this thread as the economics, tech & other stuff and let the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation thread be for geopolitics. Disregard the BRICS and SCO tags altogether since the new world order is on the cusp.
 
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Zakharova considered it inappropriate for Macron to attend the BRICS summit​


The representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, believes that the participation of French President Emmanuel Macron in the upcoming BRICS summit would not contribute to achieving the goals of the association. She noted that Russia has repeatedly stated about the inappropriateness of participation in the BRICS meetings of countries pursuing a hostile policy towards Moscow.

“Our association was created to enhance the role of developing countries in a multipolar world, to develop collective, unifying directions on the agenda of the entire international community. We are convinced that the participation of the President of France in the BRICS summit would in no way contribute to the fulfillment of these tasks. Unfortunately, it seems to me that France has nothing to offer this association,” she said during a briefing .

In June, the French newspaper L`Opinion wrote that Emmanuel Macron asked South African President Cyril Ramaphosa to allow him to participate in the BRICS summit. According to the source of the publication, such a request came as a surprise to the President of South Africa, he planned to discuss it with his BRICS partners. On July 23, News24 reported that Mr. Macron had not received an invitation from the President of South Africa.

The BRICS summit will be held in person in Johannesburg on August 22-24. It will be attended by the leaders of China, India, Brazil and South Africa. Russia will be represented by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Russian President Vladimir Putin will speak at the BRICS summit via video.
 
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Modi is weak. Not going to BRICS summit isn't the problem but he is behaving like a politician that is shortsighted instead of a leader that is looking for long term interest of India.

China doesn't need BRICS. Countries want to join BRICS because of China. BRICS could be a platform and a cover for many developing countries and global south to have an alternative to the Western liberal international order without picking a side.

Just like RCEP, India has no stomach to make a hard choice or reform. Modi is always taking the easy route or being an opportunist which is why India has been a failure for all these years.
 
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