American Economics Thread

LesAdieux

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Someone sounds like they bought puts and lost. What does China have to do with it? The US doesn't need China and vice versa. If an asset manager like Peter Schiff can't beat a passive index, why do you care for their thoughts on macro? (esp. since they've never been right)
passive indexes beat majority of fund managers, everyone knows that. if you can consistently beat an index, you can start to trash Buffett.
 

Tam

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passive indexes beat majority of fund managers, everyone knows that. if you can consistently beat an index, you can start to trash Buffett.

That's because an index works from hindsight. It actively takes out poorly performing companies like General Electric and adds new stars like Netflix. The S&P 500 continually changes its list by delisting old companies and enlisting new companies.

The best way to judge an index is to take the index from a certain time period, like the S/P 500 in the year 2000, and where are they now? You will find a lot would have gone down, like Kodak, Blockbuster, etc,.
 

KYli

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The prices of my own groceries have risen significantly. It's like I am now paying $80 to $100 for the same amount of things, or less, for what I used to pay $50 to $60 before. The worst part is the prices of meat.
Beef and spare ribs prices have double. I am paying $600 more for grocery bills each month compare with last year. Home prices and rent have also increased in double digits. Car prices also have substantially increased. Someone has to be delusional to not see how inflation has become a problem.
 

tokenanalyst

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Beef and spare ribs prices have double. I am paying $600 more for grocery bills each month compare with last year. Home prices and rent have also increased in double digits. Car prices also have substantially increased. Someone has to be delusional to not see how inflation has become a problem.
Of course it is a problem, I feel that prices have not risen this fast since the 2008 crisis, still not as bad as the stagflation of the 70s.
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DarkStar

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On another note, you sound very angry and personal cheering bullies. Psychologically speaking, this is typically a sign of a person who has lived his life in weakness dying for an imaginary chance to be a dominant bully. These people also really like to use the word, "Winning," because they don't know the specifics or how to articulate it but find such a claim satisfying. I've heard a guy use it 3 times in a row with no meaning!
Isn't that the very definition and psychological profile of a Jai Hind?
 

Tam

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Of course it is a problem, I feel that prices have not risen this fast since the 2008 crisis, still not as bad as the stagflation of the 70s.
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All I can say its definitely hurting me in the wallet and I get sticker shocks even when I go fast food for a cheap meal. I get sticker shocks when I go to the grocery and when I go to the supermarket. Everyone around me is noticing it. I see plenty of restaurants have closed and those who remain are jacking up their prices while having fewer and overworked employees.
 

manqiangrexue

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You can Google
I did. In 2019, they were thinking about whether they could put some there. Nothing further. You can show your evidence or just be wrong again.
Doesn't matter. Sweden and Finland are US slaves.
They can't catch Huawei in 5G either. America is their cheerleader.
They have to reinvent the wheel while US slaves Sweden and Finland advance forward. Beautiful.
They are behind Huawei and China invents a better wheel.
LOL, it's still small potatoes. The US has always had protests. It's nothing new.
It's absolutely new. Never before has the US seen nationwide violence with its main government building sacked before. Imagine the American euphoria if ZhongNanHai was overrun...
Wow, only a few people. I'll change my statement. US propaganda works such that nearly all (>90%) of naturalized immigrants are loyal to the United States
You see a few people here so that means a few people? LOL Yeah, the most loyal people are those burning up the streets and trying to kill congress members LOL.
Not imagination. Truth.
In your imagination, supported by no facts. With the opposite being supported by facts.
LOL, no. That's what happens when the US isn't repressive enough.
Too repressive or not repressive enough, the US suffers more incidents of domestic violence and riots than China ever has.
You mean political theatrics while the executive grinds on, publishing well-written analyses and policies in the Federal Register?
No, I mean Democrats calling Republicans a basket of deplorables and the Republicans saying that Democrats drink baby blood.
Fake news
By every scientific institute with a reputation against your imagination and wishes.
Yes, China for now has the higher derivative of GDP but the US has the larger GDP and soon will have higher growth than China after the US shuts China out from global markets and deprives it of all technology intermediaries.
Imaaagginnnatttionnnn LOL Again. The US can't do shit except grind its teeth to stubs watching China grow and outgrow it. Real trends, not your imagination.
No. America is the best researcher but it that doesn't mean America has the monopoly on science. Thus, if someone else has better science, it's better to steal or sabotage.
No, American science, even with all the stealing is moving slower than China because China is the best researcher with the most STEM talent and drive.
Violence is America's modus operandi.
Violence leading to failure. Has nothing to do with your personal wishes that are as fantastical as they are depraved, certainly nothing a "chill" person would think
 

manqiangrexue

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Yes, the US-China conflict is fundamentally about who can be No. 1. Thus, the only thing that matters is disprate impact and the US can inflict far more damage on china than China on the US, including in kinetic war. Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc, are just symptoms.
Nothing you say, especially imaginary or interpreted damage can even be definitively quantified. What is certain is that China is now and for the foreseeable future, continuing to outgrow America. That is what the US wants to stop and that is what it is failing at.
China would be growing faster with money printing and the US is growing faster than its 2019 projections of 2021 GDP even with money printing.
That's your imagination and opinion. But nobody will hire you and implement your ideas so maybe you're not as brilliant as you think.
Yeah, the deceleration went from 0.2pp to 0.5pp in a single year. The trade war damaged that trend and hence, why China is growing slower than the Tigers at the same level of development, even with lower urbanization and higher inequality.
Small things, easy to lift. Reread it.
China is poor, technologically backward and slow-growing.
The US doesn't even cheat itself with that denial anymore. They've moved past the denial phase and are onto the panic phase. Next is the acceptance phase. You're one step behind.
If the tech bans didn't have economic upside, Blinken & Pompeo wouldn't be doing what they are doing.
They are sacrificing long term for short term. Blinken has no choice. China is awake to it. Pompeo and Trump, two of the stupidest people to ever run the USA, wanted to cause China trouble when they were in office. What happens 10 years later is not their problem.
Self-sufficiency in high-tech industries is idiotic.
You and all your ideas are idiotic.
You need high-tech but you obviously are growing faster if you are able to freely trade intermedaries and capital goods.
You cannot rely on others for your own power. This is as short-sighted as it gets as it pertains to a country that wishes to challenge the global order. A small neutral country like Switzerland can get away with it because it has no enemies but to a fighter, external reliance is a fatal weakness.
China has to both reinvent the wheel and waste factors of production on intermedaries and capital goods while at the same time, hoping not to fall behind on final products.
Yeah, and it is well on its way to doing it. Being number one isn't easy.
China *can* do it. It's just going to be highly inefficient, waste tons of resources and cause competitors to zoom forward since they can access all items.
It's inefficient from a monetary point of view but money is nothing compared to true dominance. China has more STEM talent than the entire developed world; it can leave the world behind in tech once the ball is rolling and it is beginning to roll.
Yeah, to drive growth, you need to have high-productivity sectors and that is best determined by the market. Except China has to waste money doing research that has already been done and spend money on intermedaries that are of lower-quality and thus have crappier outputs. Can do, sure. Efficient, no? good for the US? Absolutely.
Good for the US as they lose all ability to ban tech to China? OK, they'll love it then. It's not all about money; it's about the quality of the growth and the quality of the country. Self-sufficient, high tech, a country like this can defeat a huge high GDP banana republic easily.
Sweden superpower. Oh right.
Random drivel unrelated to what I wrote.
LOL, China needs the dollar or else its financial system will collapse
No, the US dollar needs China or it will be worthless and other countries must use other ways to do business with China, the biggest business in the world.
China grew at <6% in 2H2019. The so much more room for horizontal development is basically permanent rural stagnation and poverty. Amazing from a US POV.
What a delight! You are uneducated again! China eradicates poverty faster than any nation in the world, and any US president would become religious if he could get 5.8%. But the US is at low 2%.
Nope. Nature Index says opposite.
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"The quality of Chinese research papers is approaching that of the U.S. as well. Of the top 10% most-cited papers in 2017, the U.S. generated 24.7%, while China was a close second with a 22% share."

This was in 2017 and it rises every year.
US doesn't need hypersonics because US conventional weapons and ABM tactics can overpower all enemy IADS.
Then why are they trying so hard and failing so often at hypersonics? You say you don't want it, but your experiments tell you lie LOL
LOL, China is still on capital formation phase and even that is slower than all the Tiger peers while the US is leaps and bounds above in productivity and population growth than any other DM.
China doesn't need to be on par with the US on a per capita level. China can be at a much lower level of development and still have more money and brunt resources than the US for an overtake.
The US won't watch in vain.
It's doing so now.
The US will apply shock after shock and then China's growth rate will subsume under the US growth rate as the demographic crisis and global isolation set in
The US tries trick after trick but all fail and China keeps growing while you imagine a different trend because the real one is too painful for you.
The US is still the most innovative country by a long shot.
Actually, nobody ranks the US first. South Korea and Switzerland, I've heard but China has more patents, more industrial patents, more scientific papers, and more highly-cited scientific papers so... you can imagine whichever order you like. The facts are there for sane people to judge.
The miltiary posturing is the building. Virginia Beach and UC Berkeley don't create themselves.
Building, but much slower than China.
Succeeding as Huawei is on it's last legs and BRI projects go kaput after CIA information warfare and US coercion forces project after project after project to be cancelled.
So when do you imagine that Huawei will close? Because as I've heard, they're investing in their own chips, fast progress as well... doesn't seem like something a company on its last legs would do. And the Belt and Road may face some hiccups but Chinese trade is soaring and the US has nothing in comparison. I think once Pompeo was in Malaysia and said the US will invest in a counter to the Belt and Road with a project of their own opening on... $30 million. And everyone laughed and laughed. China's doing well, don't worry. The US, even with sabotage, cannot hope to catch it.
 
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