American Economics Thread

[MBM]

My oh my, so many pages have been wasted to argue with somebody supposing to live in US in his dream.
He has double academic-titles though - the Universities of Google and Wikipedia.

It's admirable to see his chameleon perseverance to bend and twist ... in the wrong direction.
His philosophy of logic which is called a paradox applies here:
- because if it is true it must be false, or
- because if it is false it must be true

 

[j17wang]

SleepyStudent said:
The US is the most successful nation because it is the most violent and treacherous country, built on slavery, genocide and theft and it is *beautiful*.

Probably the most accurate statement ever said about the US.

 

[Bob Smith]

SleepyStudent said:
The US is the most successful nation because it is the most violent and treacherous country, built on slavery, genocide and theft and it is *beautiful*.

Probably the most accurate statement ever said about the US.

He's honest, at least. Most pro-America types will falsely point to their values and culture as to why they're a successful nation.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

No. America isn't desperate. The US is an evil genius that can make calculated moves to strengthen itself by weakening others. The US stole British technology in the 1800s, Mexican/Spanish/Hawaiian land in the 1800s, German technology in the 1940s, and Russian & Japanese technology in the 1990s and then kept soaring upwards. The allies are America's bitch, they do whatever the US tells them do. Bullies always win. That's why America is so successful. Stealing improves your strength, weakens others and zooms you.

Lol OMG you're enjoying your trolling activity here eh. I don't know why some of us here have to take your comedic take on just about everything so seriously. Your posts make me LOL so much that it's provided me some need comedic relief from the dullness of my job. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

SleepyStudent said:
The US is the most successful nation because it is the most violent and treacherous country, built on slavery, genocide and theft and it is *beautiful*.

Probably the most accurate statement ever said about the US.

Pfft...didn't someone smarter, taller, and better than you already declared that bullying always pay dividends and that whining and complaining are for losers. Take it from @SleepyStudent and listen to his uneducated and ignoramus rantings and you'll be fine.

 

[Overbom]

Lol OMG you're enjoying your trolling activity here eh. I don't know why some of us here have to take your comedic take on just about everything so seriously. Your posts make me LOL so much that it's provided me some need comedic relief from the dullness of my job. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

This is also my guilty pleasure. After a hard day, I am looking forward to opening this forum and reading some of his posts.

After that I also go to PDF and read some deranged posts from Indian posters. Honestly, it is beneficial for your mental health

 

[manqiangrexue]

There's not much steel because the growth rates are lower

Off topic answer to China transitioning to high tech high quality growth.

You could develop high tech being integrated into the global economy and that would lead to more high tech being produced but now China has to burn trillions of dollars reinventing the wheel and cause growth rates to slow substantially for the same amount of tech

That's the opposite of self-sufficiency. Besides, China has more STEM than the whole developed world combined; it's enough to lead in every technology rather than share the pie. Investment now for domination later.

No, the US is a developed country with substantial tech and is why everyone dislikes US export controls. You can't be a high GDPPC economy only producing low tech goods, if you are a large country. Simple as that

Especially American companies hate US export controls because they know the US will lose that spot to China. This is also a nonsensical response because you argued that a banana republic could resist a tech ban, which was obviously wrong.

They deal in 202X realities where the US is substantially bigger than China and when those countries choose the US, China's growth rate will slow substantially

But it has not happened and 202X is not upon us so there is no reality; there is only your imagination.

And that is why all countries will choose America

In your imagination, but if trade collapses, there is no such thing as nominal GDP, only PPP and China is larger in PPP.

Doesn't matter how many people China has. The US can always reach that number and more with immigration; esp. since US environmental endowments (water, etc) are better than China.

This is actually what the US fears, to be overrun with immigrants and lose American-ness. If the US immigrates that many people, American natural resources, including land, will be reduced on a per capita basis. The entire allure of America is higher resources per capita. If it loses that, nobody wants to go to America.

2 Aircraft Carriers LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

America has 11 useless ones (and one EMALS carrier that doesn't even work) that can't get close to China for fear of ASBMs, which the US does not have and China drops ~10 advanced destroyers a year.

No, US firms actually compete and that's why they have technology and efficency unlike China's.

Ah, you're stuck in your fantasy again where American corporations don't get huge government bailouts. When they compete, they lose to Chinese companies before US regulations try to save them and cause an ever bigger mess.

 

[weig2000]

Lol OMG you're enjoying your trolling activity here eh. I don't know why some of us here have to take your comedic take on just about everything so seriously. Your posts make me LOL so much that it's provided me some need comedic relief from the dullness of my job. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

This is also my guilty pleasure. After a hard day, I am looking forward to opening this forum and reading some of his posts.

After that I also go to PDF and read some deranged posts from Indian posters. Honestly, it is beneficial for your mental health

With all due respect, I disagree with you guys on taking such pleasures here at SDF. Because they simply ruin all the threads.

Although, I do share the secret pleasure part. The difference is that I go to

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and the like instead for that purpose. I used to go there more often a few years back. Now they have either closed some more interesting China-related threads or the posting traffic has gone down quite significantly. I suppose the brutal reality and the diverging trends between the two countries have become so clear and unbearable even Jail Hind would be embarrassed to spew out the stuffs they've enjoyed so much.

Seriously, I don't understand why many members still like to engage with trolls long after they have clearly identified themselves. You can't really "win" against a troll and you don't need to convince the rest of us. Just ignore him. That's the best strategy.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Rising champion. More like rising failure.

Your rising imagination LOL. I've heard people try to argue intelligently that China has obstacles that can still deny it the world crown but it takes a special kind of denial and stupidity to make the fantastical statements that you do.

Their combined market share is larger than China. COPE.

Huawei is bigger than both combined and can dedicate more resources including to R&D including to autonomous chip production than either. And these 2 compete against each other as well so they can't even be pooled together. Huawei owns the now and it owns the future. You can't even cope cus it's just too hard for you. You just lie.

Oh no, not a few hours of one day and 0.0000001% of GDP

One day???? Goodness you are ignorant. Do you know how long the riots lasted over just George Floyd? Curfew was in place for weeks.

No, it shows the US is an unequal country with weak minority protections

Yes

and Biden is fixing that.

Biden? The guy who said that the Taliban will not take over and the US will never need to evac people by chopper like in Vietnam... right before all of that happened? He's gonna do it? LOLOL He's trying, as all presidents have tried (except Agent Orange), and we can wait a while but being as confused as he is, I say he doesn't stand a chance.

LOL, you pay way too much attention to political chaos and thinking it means something. The Federal Register is where it's at.

You pay too much attention to money while shying away from social stability and technological development. Money is fake; it's a social tool to get people working but technology is true power and social stability is an indicator of national health.

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China is on fire and underwater. Womp womp.

Fifth day? LOLOLOL Firefighters can't contain California's fires for weeks and months. By day 5, they're not even there yet LOL You posted a video from April. California's on fire NOW.

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"The Caldor Fire, which has burned more than 117,000 acres over 10 days and remains 9 percent contained as of Tuesday"

LOL, you showed Japanese scare piece

What parts did you find inaccurate or is it a scare piece because it scared you? LOL

and American science brain drains the world for people that end up staying in America and contributing to America. The US competes with 7bn people, China with 1bn (and shrinking) people. There's a reason why some of the largest corporates in the US are from foreign born citizens. The US brain drains the smartest people and uses them in its research, business and all other forms of advancement.

We already had this discussion and you already lost. Brain circulation goes back to pump up China making its scientific development an unmatchable speed for the US. That is the outcome we are seeing now so whatever you imagine happened in there doesn't even matter. It could have not happened, happened in the opposite direction, or happened with too little effect. Chinese science moves faster than American science. That is the combined result.

And on top of being wrong there, you can't even do rudimentary math! China has 1.4B people. If the US competes with 7B people, that's 8.4B, which is well over the population of the world, unless you're so stupid, you rounded 1.4 Chinese people to 1 and then counted them twice, once for the US and once for China.

Nope. bullying is just a way of life and it's a good way of advancement.

When that's all you have, but that's because the US was never China and never had all it needed within its own people.

China's rise and overtake of the US will never happen and as a result, the light of America will always burn bright.

The light of bullying? You can't even get your story straight. America is already flickering; Trump showed its division and instability. All trend lines favor a Chinese future. You can only lay back on your imagination and wishful hope for the love of bullies LOL

Ironically, Americans would probably not know whether to clap for you or kick your ass for saying that America will beat China because the American bully is the "most violent and treacherous country, built on slavery, genocide and theft."

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

With all due respect, I disagree with you guys on taking such pleasures here at SDF. Because they simply ruin all the threads.

Although, I do share the secret pleasure part. The difference is that I go to

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

and the like instead for that purpose. I used to go there more often a few years back. Now they have either closed some more interesting China-related threads or the posting traffic has gone down quite significantly. I suppose the brutal reality and the diverging trends between the two countries have become so clear and unbearable even Jail Hind would be embarrassed to spew out the stuffs they've enjoyed so much.

Seriously, I don't understand why many members still like to engage with trolls long after they have clearly identified themselves. You can't really "win" against a troll and you don't need to convince the rest of us. Just ignore him. That's the best strategy.

I wholeheartedly agree with every points you made, especially on ignoring trolls. Although I haven't ventured out to visit whatever that Jai Hind site is and have no intention of paying that site a visit because I don't intend of giving myself a migraine.