All About the Chinese Su-33

szbd

szbd

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The deal could be very ugly. Now, Russians want to use Su33UB and Su33Mk to replace old Su33s. They may want to sell those retired Su33s at the price of Su33UB and Su33MKs then Russian navy will get new planes for free.
 
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dollarman

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szbd said:
The deal could be very ugly. Now, Russians want to use Su33UB and Su33Mk to replace old Su33s. They may want to sell those retired Su33s at the price of Su33UB and Su33MKs then Russian navy will get new planes for free.
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What the hell is an su-33Mk?

Which retired Su-33's are you talking about? If Russia was to sell any Su-33's, the revenue would go towards Rosobornexport and eventually Sukhoi/Salut. I do not see how it would subsidize costs for the Navy. It would still need to pay for the new planes, meaning double profit for the respective companies.
 
szbd

szbd

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Su33UB is a new design, Su33MK is the single seat upgraded version to the Su33UB level, that's what I remembered. I'm just guessing Russians will prefer to sell their used Su33 to China and they will swich to Su33Mk/UB
 
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yehe

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China have acquired 2 Su33 prototype model from Ukraine(or was it khazakstan) for some time now, and reported to have fitted one of those with WS10 engine for testing. Why would the PLAN want a used old type of Su33 from Russia again?
 
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SinoForce

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The Su-33's weakness, which reflects china's weakness in general, is fuel consumption. China cannot maintain the sortie ratio of hundreds of gas-guzzling high-performance jets in actual combat. Fuel supplies will be cut short/off so the chinese military and civilian sector will collapse.
 
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King_Comm

King_Comm

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SinoForce said:
The Su-33's weakness, which reflects china's weakness in general, is fuel consumption. Commie china cannot maintain the sortie ratio of hundreds of gas-guzzling high-performance jets in actual combat. Fuel supplies will be cut short/off so the chinese military and civilian sector will collapse.
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==The fuel consumption rate of the Su-33 is not a quantum leap from other fighters, if there isn't enough fuel to support Su-33, then there isn't enough fuel to support any other planes.

And no, China is the 6th largest oil producer in the world, the high demand for fuel comes from the civilian sector, which can be curtailed in a war large enough to cut all fuel imports.
 
Roger604

Roger604

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China can get oil from Russian and Central Asian pipelines in any event. And in 2005, China started stockpiling 3 months of oil imports as a strategic reserve.

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King_Comm

King_Comm

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Yes, in the event of a war that is large enough to cut the oil from pipelines in Siberia and Central Asia, I am sure the collapse of the civilian sector is something of least concern to Chinese leaders.
 
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cooker

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yehe said:
China have acquired 2 Su33 prototype model from Ukraine(or was it khazakstan) for some time now, and reported to have fitted one of those with WS10 engine for testing. Why would the PLAN want a used old type of Su33 from Russia again?
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probably want to RxD the landing system and the wing folding tech.
 
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Unit88

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speculator said:
An aircraft that is worth $50 million a piece. More than Twice of the Indian MKI, which itself is a formidable aircraft. 2 Su-33's are due to be delivered during 2007-2008. Not a long time from now. These aircraft are stated to be far superior than the current flanker-d's that the Russians are operating.
So, what would you expect to be on them? There stats? and would they have an edge over the F/A-18 superhornets and other aircraft like such in the region? And how will it effect the balance of power?

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Well, you see, as of now, America is the main military force, so with the SU-33 models being deployed in China, there will finally BE A BALANCE OF POWERS. It is funny how america is developing more and more technological advanced weapons when other nations try to build weapons but are told not to due to national security. Wont the other nation feel threatened if America has all these weapons and all you have is a sword and sheid?
 
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