All About the Chinese Su-33
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So, that means Russians planes mostly are none stealth at all including the MKIs. Tphuang, if the Su-33 won't have AESA, then it will unalbe to counter stealth fighters like F35 and F22, so what is the point of it. It will be better just to use J11 of even J10.
SteelBird
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Up to now, I haven't heard that Russia has developed any meaningful stealth fighter, so we can assume all Russian aircraft including the MKI are NOT stealthy.
Just simply use J-11 and J-10? Yes, I would have agreed with you if China has developed any carrier version of them! That's also the point why China wants to accquire some Su-33. For F-35 and F-22, I can't be sure at the current stage if China has any meaningful weapon to counter with the stealth, but believe me, there is no weapon that cannot be defeated.
The Chinese only accquired two Su-33. They wanted to study it and make their own. Also Ukrine has provided the blue print and two prototypes of the Su-33 for the Chinese.
AESA is no counter to stealth. Suffice to say, I won't go into a long explanation how stealth works and how AESA works, but these work in two totally different planes. AESA is just a scanning method while stealth deals with how you reflect radar.
But in that sense, you also don't need AESA to counter stealth. You can make a J-7 counter stealth if you know how, providing the stealthy target is over your territory.
Chengdu J-10
Junior Member
Simple as this if a F-22 Raptor enters Chinese territory it can be detected and will no longer be stealthy and pratically is screwed. Even if the F-22 is far more superior than any of the current aircraft that the PLAAF has in its inventory, and also has a high kill ratio. It will be downed by Chinese modern aircraft Su-27, Su-30, J-11, J-10 if it can outnumber the F-22. Now matter how advance the aircraft it can never bet numbers if it is enough. Besides the Chinese airforce is pretty modern now so taking down the F-22 shouldn't be extremely hard if the F-22 is in Chinese territory.
Pointblank
Senior Member
The target must be emitting radar signals for that to be successful. If the bomber pilot or fighter pilot turns off his radar, the guy vanishes off the scope on a passive system. Also, passive systems are very limited in terms of fixing the target, as they only give direction, and the requirement for at least 2 stations will be needed to triangulate the target, and that may not be exactly accurate, and there is also the issue of what altitude the target is at.
Let me repeat this again one more time.
Here is a simple way to describe radar. "It" emits. Targets reflects. "It" receives. "It" is one device in one location. A single station.
Just about every kind of radar you see is "It", hence it is called monostatic. Mono as in one, and static as in station.
Stealth works by deflecting the way the target reflects the radar to anything but "It". So while Stealth does get the emission, it reflects the radar AWAY from "IT" as much as possible.
Thus whether its PESA, AESA or My *ASSA, its still a monostatic station, and electronic scanning is just a method of forming and diverting radar beams. Stealth will still deflect the radar away from the source.
So how do you beat Stealth?
Stealth still deflects radar, but it still deflects it somewhere---anywhere but the direction of "IT".
So, you still can pick up these emissions, but the reciever can no longer be in the position of "IT".
Thus we introduce a second "IT". A second station in other words. The radar become Bi-Static or Two station. Stealth does not know where this second station is going to be located, and so the deflected radar may instead, be recieved by the second station.
You can increase the number of receiving stations, and hence, becomes multistation or multistatic.
Then through a datalink, you can feed the information to interceptors and missiles.
The term Passive Coherent location is actually a form of multistatic radar, and not a true passive system. In the case of this system, the radar emitters can be civilian sources with calculated fix positions, like celphone repeaters. The recievers are all passive antennas trained to recieve reflects of these civilian sources.
Another way to defeat Stealth is by long radiowave. Radar is like light, it is an electromagnetic radiation. Light will deflect and reflect differently based on frequency. Thus while Stealth may be focused against X band radar, the radar which most fighters use, it cannot bend long frequency radar the same way. Thus F-117s can end up being detected by antiquated radar sets.
Here is a simple way to describe radar. "It" emits. Targets reflects. "It" receives. "It" is one device in one location. A single station.
Just about every kind of radar you see is "It", hence it is called monostatic. Mono as in one, and static as in station.
Stealth works by deflecting the way the target reflects the radar to anything but "It". So while Stealth does get the emission, it reflects the radar AWAY from "IT" as much as possible.
Thus whether its PESA, AESA or My *ASSA, its still a monostatic station, and electronic scanning is just a method of forming and diverting radar beams. Stealth will still deflect the radar away from the source.
So how do you beat Stealth?
Stealth still deflects radar, but it still deflects it somewhere---anywhere but the direction of "IT".
So, you still can pick up these emissions, but the reciever can no longer be in the position of "IT".
Thus we introduce a second "IT". A second station in other words. The radar become Bi-Static or Two station. Stealth does not know where this second station is going to be located, and so the deflected radar may instead, be recieved by the second station.
You can increase the number of receiving stations, and hence, becomes multistation or multistatic.
Then through a datalink, you can feed the information to interceptors and missiles.
The term Passive Coherent location is actually a form of multistatic radar, and not a true passive system. In the case of this system, the radar emitters can be civilian sources with calculated fix positions, like celphone repeaters. The recievers are all passive antennas trained to recieve reflects of these civilian sources.
Another way to defeat Stealth is by long radiowave. Radar is like light, it is an electromagnetic radiation. Light will deflect and reflect differently based on frequency. Thus while Stealth may be focused against X band radar, the radar which most fighters use, it cannot bend long frequency radar the same way. Thus F-117s can end up being detected by antiquated radar sets.