All About the Chinese Su-33

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Deino said:
Hmm ... but what projects !!!???

If You lokk at its competitor Chemgdu they are working on the J-10-production, updating + testing improved versions of the J-10, manufacturing (LRIP) of the PAF FC-1 fighter, development work on the XXJ and the UAV not to forget !

What's Shenyang doing all the time ??? :confused: ... they've lost out the XXJ contest, the J-8II is nearing its production end ... all what's left is the modernisation of in-service J-8II's to the latest standard.

Besides that: Are there any news reagrding the Su-33 in China esp. after pilot training has started ?

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The J-11B still has a lot of room to do things with. And there are probably other PLAAF next generation projects besides the XXJ.
 
PrOeLiTeZ

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J-11B is finished with modifcations on its airframe, their just waiting for further modified electronics/weapons to come, nothing much more they can do. Personally i believe they are concentrating on the J-11BS and since they lost out of the competition to chengdu doesnt mean they lost overall, if they can come up with something decent im sure PLA will look into it and maybe produce some if it decent enough.
 
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Skywatcher said:
The J-11B still has a lot of room to do things with. And there are probably other PLAAF next generation projects besides the XXJ.
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PrOeLiTeZ said:
J-11B is finished with modifcations on its airframe, their just waiting for further modified electronics/weapons to come, nothing much more they can do. Personally i believe they are concentrating on the J-11BS and since they lost out of the competition to chengdu doesnt mean they lost overall, if they can come up with something decent im sure PLA will look into it and maybe produce some if it decent enough.
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Hmmm ... Yes and No ! I think Yes, the current J-11B is ready but there is still "a lot of room to do things with".
Besides that there's the J-11BS twin-seater ... and then the rumoured carrier version J-11BJ !

Besides that I don't think that there are currently enough recources for yet another 5. generation design, maybe something on that UCAV ... especially as the Q-5 and H-6 and in some years the JH-7 need a replacement more eagerly.

Deino
 
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folding wing plane on the left hand side, could be a Chinese manufacturered SU-33. Notice chinese characters on the wall right hand side. And the PLA logo on the tail wing.

the tilted nozzle of the engine of the bottom righ indicates the TVC WS-10A is ready.

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crobato

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Actually no. That's No. 18 of the original Su-27SK delivered in the nineties and this picture is from Komsolosk un Amur or KnaPPO factory that supplied China with the single seater Su-27s and the J-11 kits. I'm not sure if those are Chinese words on the left but its so blurry and they can be hanging specialized hand tools in there. The factory is across the Amur river near the Chinese border of Heilongjiang, former Manchuria, also not far from the Chinese city of Harbin. So there is a substantial Chinese migrant population there along with other Asiatics.

As for the engine, the standard AL-31F actually has a fixed tilt on the nozzle that faces downward.

The plane isn't being assembled, its being repaired. If planes are being assembled, they won't be in finished color, and they would be in yellow primer. Chinese don't put numbers of aircraft inside a factory, and if they do, they would put a red number on the side, not blue in the fashion above. PLAAF and PLANAF no longer put numbers on the J-11 aircraft on the side as part of the official paint configuration.
 
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well, I would say this news is certainly worth noting. It actually caught me off the guard a little bit
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China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is close to reaching a decision on the procurement of aircraft for its aircraft carrier programme, Russian industry sources have told Jane's.

Negotiations between the PLAN and the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) in Russia have been held intermittently for several years, with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-capable fighter or develop its own carrier aircraft based on the Chengdu J-10.

Russian sources have now told Jane's that under the current proposal the Russian in-service Su-33 would be put back into production and the PLAN would acquire 14 of this type to be used for the training phase of the programme.

This option will see a carrier aircraft delivered to the PLAN in the shortest possible timeframe.

The development of a new-configuration aircraft to be used in actual carrier operations would take place in parallel with this training programme.

"The next step will be to modernise the Su-33, which was first designed in the late 1980s, with a new set of state-of-the-art onboard systems," a KnAAPO representative told Jane's on the eve of the biennial Air Show China in late October. "What this new aeroplane is most likely to be is a combination Su-33 airframe with a radar, avionics and cockpit instrumentation that is a 'developed' configuration based on the Su-30MK2, and this will be the PLAN's operational version."
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we can expect more news out, I guess PLAN is looking for some planes ASAP for the new school and the domestic naval flankers are not going to be ready on time. Either way, this is basically exactly the same as the original deal (without including the 50 su-33 part). And I think the problem is that Russians are not willing to sell just 1 or 2 su-33s to China.
 
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Truth be told su30mk2 isn't *that* much more advanced than su-33... But i guess for a small series of planes meant primarely for training purposes, more than that isn't needed.
 
crobato

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14 aircraft sounded like the Russians wanted double but both sides negotiated a compromise.
 
Roger604

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No, say it ain't so! SAC has delayed the naval flanker?

Is there any particular reason for this? As discussed before on this board, they have to strengthen the whole structure. Not saying it's easy but more difficult things have been done.... and SAC's performance is underwhelming.

Another possibility is this:

Maybe early this year, PLAN decided that a carrier is not so pressing. This would be right around the time we found that nothing seems to be happening on the Varyag, and that a navy aviation school is being set up in Dalian.

That means there's no pressing need for the SAC naval flanker, and the original project had to be revised so to be a "super naval flanker" that would outfit the indigenous carrier (in 4 or 5 years).

Meanwhile, showing the designs of the "original naval flanker" to the Russians persuaded them that it's in their best interests to agree to only 14 jets, because otherwise China would just make them on its own anyway.


Just an idea... a "super naval flanker" might look be like an Su-35BM, but with more advanced composites.
 
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