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Bricks, destroying trials "Vikramaditya", made in China

MOSCOW, September 21 - RIA Novosti. Russian experts have used for modernization of aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" in India Chinese bricks, said Friday the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Andrew Dyachkov.

The transfer of the ship Russia India on completion of all tests was originally scheduled for December 4, 2012. Some media reported that because of problems with steam boilers, three of the eight that during sea trials did not achieve full power transfer period may take at least a year, and repairs will cost a billion rubles.

Soon, these data were confirmed - Dyachkov announced that the repair will be completed in May 2013, and the deadline ship, according to preliminary data, will move to nine months. Official data on the cost of repairs were not called.

"The boilers were manufactured at the request of the Indian side in the Russian Navy used boilers, which are used as fuel oil. Indian side has made a request to use boilers that run on diesel fuel," - said Dyachkov meeting with Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, dedicated situation with the aircraft carrier.

According Djachkov work Boiler Design Bureau was conducted in the Russian Federation, and the boilers were manufactured at the Baltic Shipyard. "During the trial in the vessel wall boilers are not technically able to develop full speed. They were tested for a maximum capacity of 40%. When first entering the large capacity of up to 100% was observed partial collapse of refractory masonry in boiler furnaces," - he said.

Sextons explained that during testing at sea by displaying alternately boilers out of action has been renovated this clutch, but, nevertheless, subsequent goes to the great power it is again partially collapsed.

Responding to a question Rogozin, which used materials Dyachkov said that it was "fire clay bricks made in China." "Unfortunately, the Russian production of this material has been lost," - declared the president of USC.

Previously, the official representative of the nonprofit organization "Chrysotile Association" told RIA Novosti that the failure of the elements of power plant "Vikramaditya", apparently related to the replacement of asbestos insulation to the insulation of refractory bricks.

Initiative to replace asbestos in the construction of insulating units, according to the press of the Indian side. The reason for this was the influence of asbestos on human health.

Aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" (formerly heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Admiral Gorshkov") was a major reconstruction in the Russian shipyard "Sevmash". The ship has a flight deck and a springboard for the takeoff of the MiG-29K is equipped with modern facilities inside the carrier extend new cable lines with total length of more than 2 thousand kilometers. The ship received new navigation and radar systems, complex communication and control aircraft.

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Franklin said:

The latest twist in the Vikramaditya saga the fire bricks that failed during the sea trials where made in China. This is a Google translation from the original Russian text.

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Jeff Head said:

ANs so the finger pointing begins. Who will pay? Russia...given the record to date, somehow I think not. The Chinese? Again, my guess is...not. India will be stuck holding the bag again and will negotiate it down to a half billion rubles or so.

So. no hand over until May, meaning (if it comes off and the new bricks/construction/repairs work, the Indians will be trapping Migs aboard next summer.

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• The incident happened in late July, but the ship was kept at sea to complete the aircraft & handling systems tests.
• 3 out of the 8 boilers were not able to perform at the maximum capacity due to the incident and under 5 boilers the ship have been doing upto 22-23 knots.
• The ship is to return to Sevmash on 25th Sep after its second cruise and the boilers will be repaired, not replaced.
• According to Captain of the ship, Captain Igor Ryabko (former First Officer of Kuznetsov), the carrier have covered over 11,000 miles at an average speed of 14-16 knots since 8th June 2012 and over 100 take-offs & landing of MiG-29Ks since 28th July.
• The bricks/tiles were from China and the bricks themselves were ok. The problem was with the materials used as lining between the boiler surface and the bricks. The material could not withstand the heat and the bricks fell off.
• The time for repair will take time and the new expected delivery is April2013 or Oct 2013, depending on detail inspection by the Baltisky Zavod specialist when the ship arrive at Sevmash next week.

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The most difficult components of the test program the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" succeed
09/17/2012

MOSCOW, September 18. / ITAR-TASS /. Routine command aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya", consisting of specialists from Sevmash generally pleased with the results the test ship at sea, despite the shortcomings in its power plant. This was announced today by ITAR-TASS responsible deliverer carrier Igor Leonov.

"Last Friday was 100 days from the moment an aircraft carrier at sea trials. Still no ship created or upgraded by Russia's largest shipbuilding company, so long did not go to trial in the sea," - said Leonov.

He stressed that "despite technical defects in the boiler room of the ship power installation, commissioning team of Sevmash positive about the outcome of the tests."

"We believe - said Leone - that the most difficult components of the test program are successful ship." "The main purpose of the aircraft carrier, - he said, - provision of deployment and use of carrier-based aircraft. Recognized that the most tricky part of the test - this test aircraft and hardware ship. As part of these tests the aircraft carrier" Vikramaditya "was made about 100 successful flights by Russian pilots. All flights have been highly appreciated and our Navy, and Indian experts. "

Told deliverer ship, "simultaneously with working all the equipment and systems to ensure safety / performance brake machines and restraints / were optimized transport and refueling aircraft, flight dispatch support in various flight conditions, at different times, with different flight loads." "In fact, during these tests, we studied the organization vibrant communities carriers" - said its executive deliverer.

"The second objective of the tests - he said - is working out real operation of dozens of modern electronic weapons systems." "This problem has also been successfully implemented in full" - summed Leonov.

Against this background, he said, "identified in the tests and independent shipbuilders shortcomings in a number of boilers - this is annoying, but a technical problem, the elimination of which is not complicated or technical, or in terms of organization."

As ITAR-TASS news agency in the administration of Sevmash, now an aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" returns to the plant, where it should arrive next week.

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Baltiysky Zavod produced boilers for the Indian aircraft carrier

Baltiysky Zavod JSC fulfilled one of the largest machinebuilding contracts – a series of main marine boilers. These items were produced for the Indian aircraft carrier «Vikramaditya» (former «Admiral Gorshkov»).

«A contract for the production of nine marine boilers Baltiysky Zavod JSC has concluded with FSUE «North Machinebuilding Plant» in June 2004. The contract price amounts to approximate USD 20 mio.», - said Oleg Kostikov, Director of Economy of Baltiysky Zavod. «During 2006 our company will gain about USD 22 mio in connection with the machinebuilding contracts. Prediction for 2007 – no less than USD 25 mio», - added Oleg Kostikov.

The first boiler for the Indian aircraft carrier was manufactured in May 2005. It is assembled on the test bench and is used as a simulator. The crew has an opportunity to get practical training as regards repairs and maintenance. Later the boiler will be sent to India and subsequently installed in the crew training facility. The rest eight boilers will be installed on board the warship, which is modernized by FSUE «North Machinebuilding Plant», Severodvinsk.

Baltiysky Zavod has modernized boilers type КVG-3 – КVG-ЗD. Now they operate on diesel fuel instead of black oil. Owing to this modernization power plant performance increased. Boiler piping is produced from special corrosion-resistant steel, providing durability of equipment.

On the customer’s request Baltiysky Zavod used environmentally friendly asbestosfree insulation in the manufacture of marine boilers. A new insulation (mineral fiber) is ecologically harmless material.

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21/09/2012 14:50

MOSCOW, September 21 - RIA Novosti. Tests aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" in the White and Barents seas revealed new problems, particularly in the equipment, which was supplied by NATO, said on Friday the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Andrew Dyachkov.

"There are a number of mechanisms that are out of service, including set by NATO. This three chillers, nitrogen generators and a whole range of equipment. These suppliers offered the Indian side," - said Dyachkov meeting with Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on the situation of the aircraft carrier.

As noted later Rogozin in his microblog on Twitter, defective units supplying Poland and Britain. "Installation of foreign production units are manufactured to the customer's request - specifically the Indian Navy," - he wrote, adding: "But the flight tests are successful."

The transfer of the ship Russia India on completion of all tests was originally scheduled for December 4, 2012. Some media reported that, because of problems with steam boilers , three of the eight that during sea trials did not achieve full power transfer period may take at least a year, and repairs will cost a billion rubles.

Soon, these data were confirmed - Dyachkov announced that the repair will be completed in May 2013, and the deadline ship, according to preliminary data, will move to nine months. Official data on the cost of repairs were not called.

Aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" (formerly heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Admiral Gorshkov") was a major reconstruction in the Russian shipyard "Sevmash". The ship has a flight deck and a springboard for the takeoff of the MiG-29K is equipped with modern facilities inside the carrier extend new cable lines with total length of more than 2 thousand kilometers. The ship received new navigation and radar systems, complex communication and control aircraft.

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jackliu said:

They got nothing on Chinese, India outsource Russian to fix it, Russia than outsource components to the lowest bidder, which of course come from China.

I'm pretty sure when Chinese company were making it, they were NOT being told what it was for as long as it is cheap. So of course Russia got what it paid for, it is not like China is unable to make high quality fire bricks, but hey, you get what you paid for.

The victim is of course India, the probably got billed for the full price for the proper components, and Russia probably only spend a fraction of it outsourcing to the lowest bidder, and pocked the rest. So you know what this means? Even after the carrier handover, new problems is going to keep popping up to no end. This also probably means MORE business for Russia.

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Czar786 said:

You are absolutely Right mate This what my country politian wants so they also get a cut from commission .
the money they already spend in this carrier is too much they would have got more better and more advance carrier from France or britain .
After spending soo much money we don't have technology or we did not gain any knowledge from this purchase.so we will be always depended on russia.

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Jeff Head said:

Well, not really. The Virkam was always a stop gap to fill in until the new carries come on.

And India's shipyards have already launched the hull of the 1st of those and is working on the second...so you are developing the expertise:

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jackliu said:

And if as you suggest it is so easy to build a carrier, why didn't India refurbished Gorshkov inside India just like China did with Varyag

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