Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Status
Not open for further replies.

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Note that the INS Virkamaditya has a coating of no-skid on the flight deck. As far as I can tell there is no such coating on the PLAN carrier or Russian carriers. Can anyone comment on these configurations?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

I know the Russians do not use non-skid. I've not seen a good close up of PLAN CV-16 to make a comment. By the way the IN non-skid is perhaps the same as USN non-skid...looks identical.

Has this already been posted? It just gets
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and worse for the Indians.

bad news for the IN.. real bad. They would have been better off buying the RN CVs Invincible of Illustrious. Or even an "high knots" i.e high mileage USN LHA and spending the same money into it ..they would have had a helluva a ship in either case..

I'm merging this thread with the aircraft carrier II thread. DO NOT open another thread on the Indian Navy CV..discuss the IN Navy CV programme here.

popeye
 
Last edited:

Franklin

Captain
For pictures of the Vikramaditya's interiors and more see here the link below. We had this photo's before but they where deleted on the other site so here is another site that has the photo's.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I always said even although China started after India in carriers they will have them first because of better overall organisation and leadership

So now it's delayed for another year!!! That is just taking the cake, Indian navy must be fed up!
 

jackliu

Banned Idiot
Worst thing is, Indian are spending money for Russia to build up their own ship building experience. In the end they are just taking over the keys without much experienced being learned.
 

navyreco

Senior Member
Indian Carrier INS Vikramaditya troubles due to flaw in boilers according to Russian Shipyard
Sea trials of an Indian Navy aircraft carrier refitted by a Russian shipyard were unsuccessful due to design failures in the vessel's boilers, Russian daily Vedomosti wrote on Tuesday quoting the shipyard's former director Oleg Shulyakovsky.

The ship's handover to the Indian Navy was put back from December 2012 to at least October 2013 after propulsion failures occured when the Vikramaditya, formerly the Russian Navy's Admiral Gorshkov, underwent sea trials in the White Sea last month.

Shulyakovsky says three of the carrier's eight boilers failed, but the ship still managed to stay underway and reached 23 knots, below its design speed of 29 knots.

Boiler failures were a legacy of the original vessel's design, he said, with propulsion snags being a persistent feature of the four Project 1143 carriers built in the Soviet Union in the 1970's. The carriers boilers lasted just 20 percent of the design life stated by their makers, he said.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
India has paid $2.3 billon for the ship and more than $700 million for Mig29K so that's more than $3 billions not including the recent drama

Maybe Russia wants India to cancel the order so they can keep carrier for Russian Navy at expense of India! :D

It will still be a miracle if India gets the carrier by next year I have a feeling the repair to the boilers will last longer and will be announced in due time
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I always said even although China started after India in carriers they will have them first because of better overall organisation and leadership

So now it's delayed for another year!!! That is just taking the cake, Indian navy must be fed up!

Exactly Adding insult to injury now they demand more money too . Really the bear is milking the cash cow like there is no tomorrow


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

.
Russia to demand more money to fix INS Vikramaditya


Published September 20, 2012 | By admin


SOURCE: EXPRESS NEWS SOURCE


The memory of the steep price escalation by Russians for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov was still fresh in the memories of Indian defence authorities, and the latest snags experienced during the trials of the flat top carrier indicates that Moscow will up the price for warship once more.

The issue is expected to be at the forefront when Russian Defence Minister Anatoly E Serdyukov visits Sources informed The New Indian building up case for another price hike for the second traditional asbestos coating and would therefore claim more in the name of dry dock maintenance,” added the sources.

The Indian Navy’s aim to operate two functional aircraft carriers at a given time suffered a second setback when after 90 days of sailing in the Barent Sea seven of the eight boilers of the warship did not function at its maximum power limit. According to the widely read Russian daily “Kommersant”, the seven boilers were damaged during the trial delaying the delivery of the warship by a year.

The Indian Navy, however, contended that the contract provides for leeway of 3-4 months in case of delay in delivery but beyond that the provisions call for imposing penalty if its delayed beyond it.

The acquisition of Admiral Gorshkov has been full of the price escalation saga. Offered as a gift to the Indian Navy in the beginning, the Russians had used the warship to arm-twist the Indian government to cough up more money that was used to bail out the cash-strapped Sevmash shipyard. The contract was signed in 2004 for a project hit the headlines in 2007 when Russia said that it will not be able to meet its initial deadline of 2008 and pushed it back to 2010 and demanded upped the price to $2.9 billion. After years of strenuous price re-negotiations the deal was re-inked at $2.33 billion in 2010 and December 2012 was fixed as the delivery time.

However, the recent development indicates that the leviathan is going to miss its deadline once again.
Earlier, the indigenous aircraft carrier project suffered a two years delay when truck carrying important equipment met an accident. Both the aircraft carrier are crucial for the Indian Navy’s policy to gain maritime advantage in the Indian Ocean Region – spread from Gulf of Aden in the east to Malacca Strait in the west – as the force envisages to have one aircraft carrier each for its two coasts.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Doing business with Russia is a dirty business, that's why hardly any oil and gas company's even venture there, every time here is a disagreement with Ukarine they cut the gas pipeline in the middle of winter

They did the same to China with the IL-76 and 78 deal and China just walked away which has turned out better for China

Unfortunately for India they have put so much money into these projects and they desperately want a return and then end up putting more money down Russia

But you have to give it to China though, they not only out smarted the Russians they competely out classed them on this casino deal on Varyag, I bet there are some in Russia who are in despair and absolute shock and horror over what Varayg had become they could not have imagined in their wildest dreams! Go China
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top