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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

yes that is correct Jeff, India already has Mig29K in service,and deliverys are on-going they are stationed in Goa Sqaudron Black panthers, once the Carrier enters service they will become the airwing of INS Virkamaditya

Indian order is 16+29= 45 Mig29Ks

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by the way has the 2nd 22DDH been laid yet? i sometimes find it easier finding updates on Chinese ships than any of the worlds Navys!!

also how many F35 can a single 22DDH carry? is it 16? that would mean Japan for the first time since WWII will operate aircraft from ships at sea

backed up by 2 small LHDs, which could be used for exclusive ASW using helos Japan will be a big player in the seas, thats 4 flat-tops they are going to be operating

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asif iqbal said:

by the way has the 2nd 22DDH been laid yet? i sometimes find it easier finding updates on Chinese ships than any of the worlds Navys!!

backed up by 2 small LHDs, which could be used for exclusive ASW using helos Japan will be a big player in the seas, thats 4 flat-tops they are going to be operating

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I have a real hard time finding any pics of the 22DDH construction. I imiagine the 1st 22DDH is well along in its construction and each week I look for pics, but cannot find any. We need someone on the gorund in Japan to be posting here on SD.

As to US builds, I have good pics of the , the and the , all of which are getting close...in fact the America has already been launched and I have a picture of it on that link...actually a video too. And a great video of the joining of major sections on the Zumalt at its link.

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Thanks for the update Jeff!

as far as i see it, there will be 2 new carriers battle groups which will sail the oceans in the coming years with all new ships

first is UK then China (because of ex-Varyag)

for UK
QE Class carriers with JSF
Type 45 DDGs
Type 23 FFGs
Astute Class SSN
and MARS Replenishment tankers

for China
ex-Varyag aircraft carrier with J15
Type 052C DDGs
Type 054A FFGs
Type 095 SSN
and Type 903A Replenishment tankers

and to a lesser extent India

INS Vikramaditya with Mig29K
Kolkata Class DDGs
Shivalik Class FFGs
dont know about SSN or tankers

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asif iqbal said:

Thanks for the update Jeff!

as far as i see it, there will be 2 new carriers battle groups which will sail the oceans in the coming years with all new ships

first is UK then China (because of ex-Varyag)

for UK
QE Class carriers with JSF
Type 45 DDGs
Type 23 FFGs
Astute Class SSN
and MARS Replenishment tankers

for China
ex-Varyag aircraft carrier with J15
Type 052C DDGs
Type 054A FFGs
Type 095 SSN
and Type 903A Replenishment tankers

and to a lesser extent India

INS Vikramaditya with Mig29K
Kolkata Class DDGs
Shivalik Class FFGs
dont know about SSN or tankers

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Well, let's not forget the US:
Ford Class (FA-18E/F, JSF, EA-18G, E-2D)
Burke Flight III CG
Burke Flight IIA DDG
LA Class Flight III or Virginia SSN

I would add three more (at least for the Pacific):

Australia:
Canbera Flat Tops (JSF)
Holbert DDGs
Their upgraded Perry FFGs
Their new SS perhaps

Japan:
22DDH Flat Top (JSF)
Hyuga ASW Escort
Atago or Kongo AEGIS DDG
and their newer FFG/DDGs
Their new SS Perhaps

Korea:
Dokdo (JSF?)
SeJong (KDX-III)
DDG
KDX-II DDG
Their SS perhaps

Now, in the Atlamtic/Mediteranean

Italy:
Cavour (JSF)
Horizon
newer FFGs

Spain:
Juan Carlos (JSF)
F-100 AEGIS FFGs

and of course, France:
Charles De Gaulle (Rafale)
Horizon
their new FFGs
their SSN

All of those groups will be strong and worthy of consideration. Soon you will have the US, the UK, the PRC, Spain, Italy, France, Russia, India, Japan, Korea, and Australia all having petential carrier groups. That's 11 countries and does not include Brazil or Thailand, making a total of 13 countries with carrier groups. A proliferating naval buildup in carriers world-wide.

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Jeff Head said:

Well, let's not forget the US:
Ford Class (FA-18E/F, JSF, EA-18G, E-2D)
Burke Flight III CG
Burke Flight IIA DDG
LA Class Flight III or Virginia SSN

I would add three more (at least for the Pacific):

Australia:
Canbera Flat Tops (JSF)
Holbert DDGs
Their upgraded Perry FFGs
Their new SS perhaps

Japan:
22DDH Flat Top (JSF)
Hyuga ASW Escort
Atago or Kongo AEGIS DDG
and their newer FFG/DDGs
Their new SS Perhaps

Korea:
Dokdo (JSF?)
SeJong (KDX-III)
DDG
KDX-II DDG
Their SS perhaps

Now, in the Atlamtic/Mediteranean

Italy:
Cavour (JSF)
Horizon
newer FFGs

Spain:
Juan Carlos (JSF)
F-100 AEGIS FFGs

and of course, France:
Charles De Gaulle (Rafale)
Horizon
their new FFGs
their SSN

All of those groups will be strong and worthy of consideration. Soon you will have the US, the UK, the PRC, Spain, Italy, France, Russia, India, Japan, Korea, and Australia all having petential carrier groups. That.s ii contries and does not includ Brazil or Thailand, making a total of 13 countries with carrier groups. A proliferating naval buildup in carriers world-wide.

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I know this makes me sound dumb, but I had no idea that carriers figured so highly in the mix of modern military. It occurs to me that the one thing a carrier can do that no other asset is able to do is project "soft power" or presence into any circustance. With any other weapon system you have to use it in order to project or at least make the other guy think you will use it. With a carrier you can be a "presence", and have the ability to go from soft projection to active in a matter of seconds as you project "hard power". Carriers are also valuable assets for those kind of missions where you need an evac or a hospital etc, my friend Tom was the Flight Surgeon on the Kennedy before she was retired, he loved it and got to fly a coupla missions with the guys in the "hoover", which he had flown as a naval aviator before going to med school.
The old S3b Viking, any way he had a blast, he is now a medical officer for the FAA in Ok City.

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With any other weapon system you have to use it in order to project or at least make the other guy think you will use it. With a carrier you can be a "presence", and have the ability to go from soft projection to active in a matter of seconds as you project "hard power". Carriers are also valuable assets for those kind of missions where you need an evac or a hospital etc

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Exactly..

Norfolk, Va. (Aug. 31, 2005) - The amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7) pulls away from her berth at Naval Station Norfolk. Iwo Jima and three other Hampton Roads-based amphibious ships got underway today to head to areas off the Gulf Coast as part of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. The four ships bring with them six Disaster Relief Teams (DRTs) that include amphibious construction equipment, medical personnel and associated supplies to assist with the relief effort. The Navy's involvement in the humanitarian assistance operations led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in conjunction with the Department of Defense. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Gregory A. Roberts (RELEASED)

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Gulf of Mexico (Aug. 30, 2005) – An MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter, assigned to Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron Fifteen (HM-15), takes off from the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Bataan (LHD 5) to assist with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in the New Orleans area. Bataan is currently operating in the Gulf of Mexico approximately 100 miles South of New Orleans. The ship’s involvement in the humanitarian assistance operations led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in conjunction with the Department of Defense. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate Airman Jeremy L. Grisham (RELEASED)

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New Orleans (Sept. 10, 2005) - The amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7) sits pier side in New Orleans in support of Hurricane Katrina humanitarian assistance operations. The Navy's involvement in the humanitarian assistance operations is being led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), in conjunction with the Department of Defense. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Robert Jay Stratchko (RELEASED)

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Norfolk, Va. (Sep. 1, 2005) - The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) departs from Naval Station Norfolk in support of Hurricane Katrina. Truman will bring command center and additional afloat staging base capabilities to the humanitarian effort. The Navy's involvement in the Hurricane Katrina humanitarian assistance operations is led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), in conjunction with the Department of Defense. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Gregory A. Roberts (RELEASED)

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and..

Indian Ocean (Feb. 3, 2005) - The Military Sealift Command (MSC) hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH 19) navigates alongside USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) after arriving on station near Banda Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia. Mercy has been forward deployed to assist in humanitarian aid efforts currently in progress. Mercy will serve as an enabling platform to assist humanitarian operations ashore in ways that host nations and international relief organization find useful. The Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group has been operating in the Indian Ocean off the waters of Indonesia in support of Operation Unified Assistance the humanitarian relief effort to aid the victims of the tsunami that struck Southeast Asia. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Gabriel R. Piper (RELEASED)

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As per the report Gorshkov will have a microwave landing system (MLS) along with optical landing system (OLS)

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Full view of the flight deck of INS Vikramaditya.

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Franklin said:

I got specs that are somewhat different.

INS Vikramaditya CV
Lenght:283,5m
Beam:59,8m
Draught:9,5m
Displacement:45400 ton
Crew:2000+ (sailors + airwing)
Speed:32 knots
arms:3x CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS system
16x MiG-29K Fulcrum-D
14x helicopters

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I had a type/problem with the crew size, the initial 2000 was left off, it was followed by a comma and 600 meaning the airwing consisted of 600 personnel. I fixed it in my post above. See my

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I'm sure this has been discussed but I probably missed it. Anyone can kindly brief me on why they needed a secondary tower behind the island for their sensors?