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Jeff Head

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Re: All about the new Indian Aircraft Carriers

I'm sure this has been discussed but I probably missed it. Anyone can kindly brief me on why they needed a secondary tower behind the island for their sensors?
It's not unusual. Gives them a place to get them up high, not interfere with one another, and particularly when the main island is crowded.

Up until the USS Geroge Bush, CNV-77, the US Nimitz class carriers all had a second tower. Now, they have integrated it all into the island and going forward there will only be the clean (and smaller) island and its sensor suite.

Here's a good pic illustrating it. In the foreground is the USS Bush, CVN-77 without the tower to the aft of the island, and behind it, next to the replenishment vessel is the USS Eisenhower, CVN-69 with the tower clearly visible.

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bd popeye

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Ahhh Jeff.. That second CVN is the IKE not the Nimitz. Nimitz is CVN 68. IKE is CVN 69. they are virtually identical. The Nimitz has not been in the Atlantic since 2001 when it was transferred from Newport News VA to San Diego after RCOH.
 

joshuatree

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It's not unusual. Gives them a place to get them up high, not interfere with one another, and particularly when the main island is crowded.

Up until the USS Geroge Bush, CNV-77, the US Nimitz class carriers all had a second tower. Now, they have integrated it all into the island and going forward there will only be the clean (and smaller) island and its sensor suite.

Here's a good pic illustrating it. In the foreground is the USS Bush, CVN-77 without the tower to the aft of the island, and behind it, next to the replenishment vessel is the USS Nimitz, CVN-69 with the tower clearly visible.

Thanks, I had a feeling it was something like that. But I'm a little surprised they simply did not mod the island and integrate considering it was being refurbed and all, much like how the ex-Varyag had portions of the island lopped off and modified. Perhaps a cost negotiation issue as the project already is way over budget.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: All about the new Indian Aircraft Carriers

Ahhh Jeff.. That second CVN is the IKE not the Nimitz. Nimitz is CVN 68. IKE is CVN 69. they are virtually identical. The Nimitz has not been in the Atlantic since 2001 when it was transferred from Newport News VA to San Diego after RCOH.
You are exaclty right my friend...and my bad. Sheez, I know all of them by name and number and just had a brain uh...err...flatulence there for a moment. I corrected it in my post above.

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Thanks, I had a feeling it was something like that. But I'm a little surprised they simply did not mod the island and integrate considering it was being refurbed and all, much like how the ex-Varyag had portions of the island lopped off and modified. Perhaps a cost negotiation issue as the project already is way over budget.
Well, they did mod it and did significant upgrades to the tower. My guess is that there is probably too much on the island already and that some of it my interefere with what is on the tower.

So the mod would have been a lot more major...so they beefed up the tower, added maybe more to it, and called it good because carriers have been running around with similar towers for decades.
 

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While conducting coalition training in the Mediterranean Sea July 2, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) received a call of a downed French aircraft operating from the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91).

Upon notification, a Carrier Airwing 7 airborne helicopter from Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 5, embarked on USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, was dispatched to provide rescue and assistance.

Once HS-5 arrived at the scene, they retrieved and transported the pilot to the Charles de Gaulle for medical treatment.
 

Jeff Head

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Wow! Interesting that a De Gaulle helo wasn't in the area...but my guess is this happened while the aircraft was quite a distance away from the De Gaulle and the Ike was the closest asset nearby and responded.

They probably had set up specific AORs for the helos during the exercises and the Rafael had trouble and went down in the Ike's area.

Glad they were able to get the pilot and get him back to the De Gaulle and hope he recovers completely.
 

navyreco

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The French Navy lost a Rafale yesterday, Monday July 3 (02;00 PM local time).
The aircraft was the M24, a machine of the second batch delivered in 2008 (F2 standard later upgraded to F3).

According to Air and Cosmos, the pilot would have lost control of his aicraft during a low atltitude BFM training with a USNavy F-18 off the cost of the Ibiza Island, Spain.

The Pilot hopefully managed to eject safely and was recovered by a helicopter of the USS Eisenhower aircraft carrier.
The M24 had notably be involved in the early ASMP-A trials.

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Picture : Rafale M24 seen in the CdG hangar bay last June 18, 2012 ©Antonio Carrasquilla
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Franklin

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I got here two pics of the INS Vikramaditya's 20 ton elevator in the back both from the inside as from the outside. Notice the position of the arrestor wires, when a plane lands the arrestor wire will stretch over the elevator meaning that the back elevator cannot be used when there are planes about to land. And i doubt that the position of the arrestor wires leave enough space to park MiG-29K's, atleast not when there are still aircraft that needs to land and the arrestor wires needs to be used.

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Stunning picture! Looks great!

French really have a nice Navy with that aircraft carrier and the Mistral Class LHDs

something Royal Navy doesnt have, well for now anyway

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I got here two pics of the INS Vikramaditya's 20 ton elevator in the back both from the inside as from the outside. Notice the position of the arrestor wires, when a plane lands the arrestor wire will stretch over the elevator meaning that the back elevator cannot be used when there are planes about to land. And i doubt that the position of the arrestor wires leave enough space to park MiG-29K's, atleast not when there are still aircraft that needs to land and the arrestor wires needs to be used.

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if that is the case then this results in all sorts of complications, i cant see how they would be that shortsighted, that is a major issue
 

Jeff Head

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Stunning picture! Looks great!

French really have a nice Navy with that aircraft carrier and the Mistral Class LHDs

something Royal Navy doesnt have, well for now anyway

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if that is the case then this results in all sorts of complications, i cant see how they would be that shortsighted, that is a major issue
It's where it was located on the original ship. Moving it to deck edge wopuld have been VERY expensive because they would have had to expand the hangar deck over there too.

It is workable...but not usable during landing.

Also, on the aft deck, there is room there for aircraft to park to the left in that picture, ecen when other aircraft are landing. But does not look like there is room to the right.
 
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