A Sino-US alliance, is that feasible?

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Just where did you come up with this trash?!:nono:
Taiwan was always China's and even America recognizes that. Philipines, vietnam, RUSSIA?! JAPAN?! INDIA?! Where are you coming with this? China never claimed these lands! China has no intention to expand. Do you see China projecting its military across the globe? I dont think so! Please get a sense here or dont respond at all!
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Thank you Finn McCool, China indeed recently had or has disputes with all those nations, it is building naval bases near the Super Tanker Highway etc these are all threats or potewntial threats to US allies.

I will also point out that the goverment in Taipei is older than the Goverment in Bejing and called the Republic of China, and has every right to be considered a legitimate governing body for its people.
 
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zraver said:
I will also point out that the goverment in Taipei is older than the Goverment in Bejing and called the Republic of China, and has every right to be considered a legitimate governing body for its people.
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Although I don't want to be involved in the ideology war here(my thread, and you started it), but what's the logic is that?

It has been decided in the civil war long time ago, and if needed it can be decided by the civil war in the future(that's something people don't want but prefer a peaceful settlement). Are you talking about the Confederation of the south states of America was "the legitimate governing body for its people"?
 
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fishhead said:
Although I don't want to be involved in the ideology war here(my thread, and you started it), but what's the logic is that?

It has been decided in the civil war long time ago, and if needed it can be decided by the civil war in the future(that's something people don't want but prefer a peaceful settlement). Are you talking about the Confederation of the south states of America was "the legitimate governing body for its people"?
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Yes, but USA is united. If Taiwan is not a separate country, why would China need unite with Taiwan? People, there is an official, diplomatic view and then the reality. At best, we can say that there is some special relationship between the two countries which may allow for a future reunification when conditions are right.

On the side note, really good to see General Pace getting the kind of reception he got in China. I don't even think the Russians or Pakistanis got to sit in for Type 99 and J-11.
 
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Yes, but USA is united. If Taiwan is not a separate country, why would China need unite with Taiwan? People, there is an official, diplomatic view and then the reality. At best, we can say that there is some special relationship between the two countries which may allow for a future reunification when conditions are right.
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Let's stop talking these ideology stuff since it's not my purpose. Given the size and power of China compared with North vs South in US at that time, there is no problem for China to "unite" Taiwan in a brutal force way today, but this is not the topic now.

Remember American lost 600,000 people in its unification war, you want China to do the same to shut everybody up? Then you call it what?
 
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I will also point out that the goverment in Taipei is older than the Goverment in Bejing and called the Republic of China, and has every right to be considered a legitimate governing body for its people.
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This is what did your government said about status of Taiwan.

The U.S. side declared: The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Government does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves. With this prospect in mind, it affirms the ultimate objective of the withdrawal of all U.S. forces and military installations from Taiwan. In the meantime, it will progressively reduce its forces and military installations on Taiwan as the tension in the area diminishes.
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General Pace gets to see a lot of stuff in China this time. Very interesting
 
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Taiwan has never officially declared independence, in China, we don't call it re-unit, we call it liberation of Taiwan, :), this is a civil war between both parties. Once mainland wins the war, China will be more in line with USA (Yankees won the civil war long time ago, Taiwaness are southerners to mainland), the relation between 2 countries could be even better. Hahaha
 
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tphuang said:
Yes, but USA is united. If Taiwan is not a separate country, why would China need unite with Taiwan? People, there is an official, diplomatic view and then the reality. At best, we can say that there is some special relationship between the two countries which may allow for a future reunification when conditions are right.

On the side note, really good to see General Pace getting the kind of reception he got in China. I don't even think the Russians or Pakistanis got to sit in for Type 99 and J-11.
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The reply to the first part on the previous post.
About the second part, I agree with you, that is why I said There really is an alliance for some issues, :)
In my point of view, US and China alliance is the biggest and only real evil axis in the world, China keeps sucking in natural resources and export the out come to the US, US pays money for that, China reinvest most part of the money back to US, what an evil circle it is, it's eating the whole earth.
 
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on a side note, the Confederacy was never recognized by a single forgien goverment. The RoC once held a permament seat on the UNSC and was recognized by most of the worlds nations as China. Even with the removal of nation status, the goverments legitimacy over its own people cannot be questioned.
 
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zraver said:
on a side note, the Confederacy was never recognized by a single forgien goverment. The RoC once held a permament seat on the UNSC and was recognized by most of the worlds nations as China. Even with the removal of nation status, the goverments legitimacy over its own people cannot be questioned.
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Even in Laws of ROC, Taiwan is part of China, the territory includes both mainland and Taiwan, did you realize that when you made the post?

Sorry about the deviation, my point is the sooner China and US settled the Taiwan issue the better the relationship will be. A war between US and China is a crazy idea, that will be the end of the world. So both countries have to face the truth, that is the ground why I am positive about the "alliance", of course it may not be like the NATO, but it will be helpful in a lot issues like North-Korean nuclear bomb
 
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