A Sino-US alliance, is that feasible?

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Vlad Plasmius

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A Sino-American alliance is inevitable.

I think this is what's currently being worked towards, actually. There's all this talk of how our economies are so intertwined and tensions is so thick that we must be on a warpath, but I think that makes the opposite true.

Given the current balance, it's unlikely we'd get involved. Not to mention we lack any sort of good reason.

Without a reason for war there can only be reasons for peace.
 

Violet Oboe

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Dear Vlad I may hope that your optimist vision will become reality but the unpredictable risks in sino-american relations could also support a more pessimist or even alarmist point of view.:(

Some ´geniusses´in China's current leadership harbour the illusion that a ´steadily deepening economic relationship´ i.e. in effect delivering masses of consumer goods and subsequently underwriting the bills with US Treasury Bonds bought by the BoC in awesome volume (BoC + other state banks + Hong Kong banks: 500 bn $ +). Unfourtunately their ´plan´ is deeply flawed because their hope that China would be able to buy security or at least a stable strategic environment from the ´almighty´ hyperpower is simply futile.

Security cannot be bought in $$$ or in RMB since the only money able to ´buy´that is denominated only in comprehensive power. China will have to work hard and obviously pay also hefty bills to create a viable array of balanced (political, diplomatic, military, economic, media) power instruments but going through this difficult process is the only way to solve China's problems!

Ignoring the brutal lessons of history where a wealthy but strategically (mostly tech and military) weak China was humiliated and defeated by foreign powers would be a disaster for the people and in times of crisis or even war comprehensive strategic POWER is the only coin able to buy security for a global player like the PRC. Going down along this dangerous selfdefeating path of submissive appeasement would lead China direct into a dead end situation since the US will inevitably teach China a painful and redundant lesson. The US will swiftly demonstrate who holds the decisive cards and CPC leaders will be forced to eat every ´humble pie´Washington puts on the table for them.
(Perhaps without sufficient ´democratic reform´ (fill in also ´human rights´, ´religion´, ´rule of law´, ´stop eating dogs´...) (of course Washington will define the rules here) China's trade, investment or energy supply gets suddenly ´unstable´?)

At least one thing will be although of relevance to leaders who are oblivious to history's harsh lessons: the chinese people will not tolerate people in power having the bad habit of not doing their ´homework´.
(And that is probably exactly the outcome shrewd longterm strategists in the US are tirelessly working for; think twice about it comrades! :D)
 
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fishhead

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Some ´geniusses´in China's current leadership harbour the illusion that a ´steadily deepening economic relationship´ i.e. in effect delivering masses of consumer goods and subsequently underwriting the bills with US Treasury Bonds bought by the BoC in awesome volume (BoC + other state banks + Hong Kong banks: 500 bn $ +)

It's basically your illusion, Chinese hasn't shown any intention of that kind idea yet. All the talks of alliance are from American side to this day.

The current trade relationship is nothing but the way to enhance China's industry and economic capabilities, viewed by Chinese.
 

zraver

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The US and China are allies and have been since Chenault's intial batch of Volunteers... ohh wait not that China.

The US and PRC were allies vs the Soveit Union and ar enow huge trading partners. But a Military alliance is impossible until China stops seekig to expand. China currently has claims against taiwan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Russia*, and India and a serious (and justified) beef with Japan, is the primary supporter of North Korea, and is building naval bases within range of the Super Tanker Highway going through the straits of Malacca.

Why would the US turn its back on all of its other regional allies?
 

renmin

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The US and China are allies and have been since Chenault's intial batch of Volunteers... ohh wait not that China.

The US and PRC were allies vs the Soveit Union and ar enow huge trading partners. But a Military alliance is impossible until China stops seekig to expand. China currently has claims against taiwan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Russia*, and India and a serious (and justified) beef with Japan, is the primary supporter of North Korea, and is building naval bases within range of the Super Tanker Highway going through the straits of Malacca.

Why would the US turn its back on all of its other regional allies?
Just where did you come up with this trash?!:nono:
Taiwan was always China's and even America recognizes that. Philipines, vietnam, RUSSIA?! JAPAN?! INDIA?! Where are you coming with this? China never claimed these lands! China has no intention to expand. Do you see China projecting its military across the globe? I dont think so! Please get a sense here or dont respond at all!
 

Finn McCool

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Just where did you come up with this trash?!:nono:
Taiwan was always China's and even America recognizes that. Philipines, vietnam, RUSSIA?! JAPAN?! INDIA?! Where are you coming with this? China never claimed these lands! China has no intention to expand. Do you see China projecting its military across the globe? I dont think so! Please get a sense here or dont respond at all!

Well what he is claiming is that China has territorial disputes or political rows with all these countries or did until recently.
Phillipines: Spratly Island Dispute
Vietnam: Spratly Islands Dispute
Russia: (Resloved) Border Issue
Japan: Senkaku/Daiyutai Islands, Yakasuni Shrine/WWII Responsibility Issues
India: Asaki Chin/Arunchal Pradesh Border Issue, Harboring the Dali Lama
Taiwan: Well duh:nana:

I would not say that any of these issues are even close to going military, and China has only acted agressively towards Taiwan recently and left all the others alone, but you cannot say that zravers claims are trash. They are based in fact.
 

Schumacher

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LOL, China has had those disputes with Russia, Japan, India for ages. It sure didn't stop US from having an alliance with China in the 70s, 80s against USSR.
Dispute with Vietnam ? China attacked Vietnam mainland with US's blessing in 79.
Don't get me wrong, I think China-US alliance now is day-dreaming for the simple reason that US see China having the most potential to overtake it & will try its best to stop China.
 

mxiong

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What the hell is Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace doing with PLA? :coffee:

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Violet Oboe

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Pace seems to enjoy the entertainment made up for him!

After all he will ask his polite chinese hosts to eat some more ´old hard cookies´like: ´let your dirty hands off Taiwan!´, ´shut up when we are delivering missiles to our friends in Taipeh!´, ´stop supporting those nasty Iranians!´ and last but not least, ´continue to buy our Treasury Bonds allowing us to finance our new aircraft carriers and ballistic missile defenses!´.

P.S.: China would be quite embarrassed if the content of this kind of ´talks´ with US military commanders would come to light (e.g. by declassification in the US). Nasty rumours have it that several US PACCOM chiefs resorted to pretty tough language full of threats during their visits in China!
 
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Jeff Head

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Just where did you come up with this trash?!:nono:
Taiwan was always China's and even America recognizes that. Philipines, vietnam, RUSSIA?! JAPAN?! INDIA?! Where are you coming with this? China never claimed these lands! China has no intention to expand. Do you see China projecting its military across the globe? I dont think so! Please get a sense here or dont respond at all!
I believe zraver is probably refering to the island disputes that China has with several of those nations...not disputes regarding their main land masses (except Taiwan of course)...so zraver's comments do have merit, although probably not the way you took them.

As to the history of Taiwan...that island has been disputed/claimed by several nations over the last several centuries. For the last several decades, it has clearly acted as a defacto seperate nation, though economic ties are more and more pulling them back towards the mainland.
 
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