A Growing Chinese Confidence
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But you used the title as an example of china being conceited before. We showed it wasn't the case and it was speigel trying to paint them as so. Really not sure why we're still on about this.
solarz
Brigadier
So why do you think China is out to conquer the world?
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
And who's the one bombing Libya just to make sure the some of the best oil in the world keeps flowing to them? What more of an indictment of people's motivation.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
What is wrong with that . China has been at the receiving end of the gunboat diplomacy in late 1800's . So is'nt that fair that the victim of robbery armed themselves to the teeth. If anything they are too modest They should raise the defense spending to the tune of 4% of GDP now that the war monger is beating the drum
Just to refresh your memory
Following the Boxer Rebellion, the defeated Qing Empire was fined war reparations of 450,000,000 taels of fine silver (around £67.5 million or US$333 million at the time) with an interest of 4% per year, for 39 years, and finally needed to pay 982,238,150 taels (about 34683 tons of silver), for the loss caused to the Eight-Nation Alliance, of which the U.S. share was 7.32%, the Russian 28.97%, the German 20.02%, the French 15.75%，the British 11.25%, the Japanese 7.73%, the Italian 7.32%, the Belgian 1.89%, the Austro-Hungarian 0.89%, the Dutch 0.17%, and the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Swedish and the Norwegian 0.025% each.
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Blade, if you want to say something can you just go out and say it instead of quoting these sayings... -__-
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Madame Fu is just a civil servant implementing Chinas soft power, meanwhile the real powers are making sure shes got a big stick.
I went and did as you suggested, read the article, abeit quickly and as such
I was being charitable to Solarz in pointing out where Madame Fu used the word conceited. I think she, and many Chinese as well believe, that the reason why the Europeans want to maintain the status quo as regards geo/ political domination is born out of sheer arrogance/conceit .
@ ie
THe last of which brought about/ hastened the communist victory. Without which China and much of Asia might be still living under a "East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere"
@Solarz
I see China/Usa/West as strategic competitors. Like companies why should one give up the high ground/or roll over because someone wants to muscle in on your act. Do you see Ford or GM rollover in the face of Japanese competition?
Anyway excepting war/human exploitation anything is fair to maintain an advantage, even dirty pool.
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I see.
And what status quo would that be? And why would the Chinese see these countries as being conceited in the first place? And going back, how does this show china is conceited (re your speck in eye thing implying china cannot see that they too are conceited)
Or are you saying the Chinese view of the west wanting to keep the "status quo" is flawed and arises from Chinese conceit?
Irrelevant, kind of. No one's denying the effect of WWII (sino-jap wars) on the current situation in china, nor the involvement of the us. The point is the rise of china these last few decades has been relatively/very conflict free, compared to the early twentieth century when the rise of countries in similar positions led to all out war whichever way one looks at it.
And what status quo would that be? And why would the Chinese see these countries as being conceited in the first place? And going back, how does this show china is conceited (re your speck in eye thing implying china cannot see that they too are conceited)
Or are you saying the Chinese view of the west wanting to keep the "status quo" is flawed and arises from Chinese conceit?
Irrelevant, kind of. No one's denying the effect of WWII (sino-jap wars) on the current situation in china, nor the involvement of the us. The point is the rise of china these last few decades has been relatively/very conflict free, compared to the early twentieth century when the rise of countries in similar positions led to all out war whichever way one looks at it.
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solarz
Brigadier
The West is not conceited because they want to maintain status quo. They are conceited because they think everything is about them, and that everyone should look at things from their point of view.
ex:
Why does France need to arm itself to this extent? Why does the US, the UK, India?
When was the last time USA revealed to China their decision making process? Was there transparency in the decision-making process that led to the invasion of Iraq? Why do they expect China to reveal things that they don't reveal themselves?
Here I quote Mme Fu Ying's response: