A Growing Chinese Confidence

bladerunner

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Bltizo said:
And what status quo would that be? And why would the Chinese see these countries as being conceited in the first place? And going back, how does this show china is conceited (re your speck in eye thing implying china cannot see that they too are conceited)
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China's viewpoint on her role in the Pacific and SE Asia, regarding territory and oil fields. To date she had only been willing to discuss the matter on a unilateral/ rather than a multilateral basis with other claimants. THat can be seen as a sign of conceitedness.

@ Solarz

The West is not conceited because they want to maintain status quo. They are conceited because they think everything is about them, and that everyone should look at things from their point of view.
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Surely one can lead to the other eg, European/US. believed that only a person from the First world rather than the developing world was capable of being the President of the IMF and voted accordingly. Hence the status quo was maintained.
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siegecrossbow

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bladerunner said:
Bltizo said:
I see.
And what status quo would that be? And why would the Chinese see these countries as being conceited in the first place? And going back, how does this show china is conceited (re your speck in eye thing implying china cannot see that they too are conceited)
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China's viewpoint on her role in the Pacific and SE Asia, regarding territory and oil fields. To date she had only been willing to discuss the matter on a unilateral/ rather than a multilateral basis with other claimants. THat can be seen as a sign of conceitedness.
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Are you kidding me.................
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Blitzo

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bladerunner said:
China's viewpoint on her role in the Pacific and SE Asia, regarding territory and oil fields. To date she had only been willing to discuss the matter on a unilateral/ rather than a multilateral basis with other claimants. THat can be seen as a sign of conceitedness.
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Why's that? I thought china wanted negotiate unilaterally because that favors china more? That's not being conceited is it? That is pursuing your interests in which you can achieve what you want.

How is that arrogant or conceited?
 
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Bltizo said:
Why's that? I thought china wanted negotiate unilaterally because that favors china more? That's not being conceited is it? That is pursuing your interests in which you can achieve what you want.

How is that arrogant or conceited?
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Honestly I seriously don't get how that is conceited neither.
 
bladerunner

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Bltizo said:
Why's that? I thought china wanted negotiate unilaterally because that favors china more? That's not being conceited is it? That is pursuing your interests in which you can achieve what you want.

How is that arrogant or conceited?
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Isnt that what the West is doing and is referred to as conceited and arrogant in the bargain eg international monetry policy

Believing that a unilateral discussions is the only way to handle matters. Its your way or no way. Theres also how she views her role in the Asia pacific region, forgetting that countries have moved on since China's lost century, and while trading with China is good, they want to be masters of their own destiny.
 
Engineer

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LMAO!

It is hardly conceited. Unilateral discussion shows China is treating each party as equal at the negotiating table. If China tells the other party that it is not good enough to talk on a one-to-one basis, but must come to China as a group, then that's a sign of conceit.
 
Engineer

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bladerunner said:
Isnt that what the West is doing and is referred to as conceited and arrogant in the bargain eg international monetry policy.
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Doesn't the West always think itself as the shining example of human civilization that everyone must follow? If so, then this grumpy complain is unwarranted when China is pursuing its own interests in a Western manner. If the complain is legitmate, then it only reinforces the notion that Western way of doing things is not worth following.
 
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bladerunner said:
Isnt that what the West is doing and is referred to as conceited and arrogant in the bargain eg international monetry policy

Believing that a unilateral discussions is the only way to handle matters. Its your way or no way. Theres also how she views her role in the Asia pacific region, forgetting that countries have moved on since China's lost century, and while trading with China is good, they want to be masters of their own destiny.
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Rofl the difference here is that China is not participating in talks unilaterally because of some crazy ideology "we will only negotiate unilaterally because it is the best way!" so no you cannot really call that conceited. China wants to negotiate unilaterally because it is in her interests to do so.
If anything, like engineer said, the fact china is treating each party as "equal" at the table shows the opposite of conceit in this matter.

And even if China did believe in that crazy ideology I described above -- well first they would be hypocrites since they've been advocating six party talks with NK, talks with iran etc -- but this would be showing conceit in the way negotiations are held. I mean in the grand scheme of things, and compared to what the VFM is accusing the west of being conceited in, that is just laughably trivial.
 
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Conceited is expecting the entire world to restrict their own industrial pollution so that the West who pollutes more than everyone else combined can continue without any restrictions with their gluttonous lifestyles at the expense of everyone else. Conceited is expecting the world to focus all their attention on Darfur when Rwanda and today the Congo is far worse. Neither got attention except for lip-service. One would expect a people of concious to aim towards the most dire situation. But a people who desire conceited power would pick a lesser concern just to see if people will obey and follow. Conceited is when the BBC does their annual world opinion poll and says the world has a negative opinion of China when in fact by their own statistics they're only counting the Western countries' opinions as the entire world. Conceited is when during the Beijing Olympics, journalists complained about why Kobe Bryant was the most popular athlete in China and not Lance Armstrong who the Chinese never even heard of. Conceited is the people who are the only ones to ever literally try to conquer the world attempting to enslave all of humanity believe everyone else is the bad guy.
 
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