A Growing Chinese Confidence

bladerunner

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LMAO!

It is hardly conceited. Unilateral discussion shows China is treating each party as equal at the negotiating table. If China tells the other party that it is not good enough to talk on a one-to-one basis, but must come to China as a group, then that's a sign of conceit.


Nope , the idea of unilateral negotions is the same as the "divide and rule strategy. That is when you prevent smaller groups from linking up, and China can then pick them off one by one. First offer the first one or two such good deals they can't resist and less favourable ones to the foot draggers, they will more or less agree to anything for fear of being left out. The end result is that on balance China comes out winning.
Dealing with smaller weaker countries in this "its my way or the highway" can indeed to be seen as arrogant, high handed or conceit(They all have a similar meaning) Perhaps its the Western bashers who need to get off their high horses.
 

Blitzo

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Nope , the idea of unilateral negotions is the same as the "divide and rule strategy. That is when you prevent smaller groups from linking up, and China can then pick them off one by one. First offer the first one or two such good deals they can't resist and less favourable ones to the foot draggers, they will more or less agree to anything for fear of being left out. The end result is that on balance China comes out winning.
Dealing with smaller weaker countries in this "its my way or the highway" can indeed to be seen as arrogant, high handed or conceit(They all have a similar meaning) Perhaps its the Western bashers who need to get off their high horses.

So basically anyone who pursues interests can be defined as being conceited, arrogant or high handed then, yes? Because they are all going to go around pursuing their interests in the way they think can achieve them.

If China was criticizing all of those countries to change to China's political and economic system or something like that, or criticizing their poverty rates or even "freedom of speech" then yes I could agree that's arrogant.
What you've described... well I will concede that there is some conceit. But no more than any other country who has territorial disputes, and certainly far, far less than what the VFM described wrt the west.

Basically, if you want to paint china as conceited to the rest of the world or even as near as conceited as the west is right now to china (and to an extesion the rest of the world), then you're better off trying to find another example.
 

Blitzo

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Nah To use a bit of Blitzo logic, thats good strategic thinking

Depends, is that strategic thinking accompanied by something along the lines "rawr we are da best, #1, every other system is unacceptable!!!1111!!"? If yes... well then...
 

bladerunner

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So basically anyone who pursues interests can be defined as being conceited, arrogant or high handed then, yes? Because they are all going to go around pursuing their interests in the way they think can achieve them.

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Only if its carried out in a somewhat similar fashion to what I described in my previous post,in most instances I would consider it an arrogant approch.

P.S. If China did it to the G7/8 or what ever they call themselves thesedays , I would most likely think "nice one" but to the countries
shes at odds with concerning oil rights, then no.
 
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Blitzo

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Only if its carried out in a somewhat similar fashion to what I described in my previous post,in most instances I would consider it an arrogant approch.

What approach is that? One in which the way interests are pursued favouring the faction purusing said interests?
 

Red___Sword

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I wish to know what OTHER super mods' thinking of this thread. It is a civil discussion, but obviously the gap is there which divides the world, like history (or, "track record" more suitable) showed.

And congrats siege. The familiar tone: Is your promotion to super mod a sign of SDF subjugating itself to the Chinese power, when J-20 "showoff" its rolling stance like the one your portrait indicated, happens to be approximately the same period of time? (no bash to SDF intented)
 
So basically anyone who pursues interests can be defined as being conceited, arrogant or high handed then, yes? Because they are all going to go around pursuing their interests in the way they think can achieve them.

If China was criticizing all of those countries to change to China's political and economic system or something like that, or criticizing their poverty rates or even "freedom of speech" then yes I could agree that's arrogant.
What you've described... well I will concede that there is some conceit. But no more than any other country who has territorial disputes, and certainly far, far less than what the VFM described wrt the west.

Basically, if you want to paint china as conceited to the rest of the world or even as near as conceited as the west is right now to china (and to an extesion the rest of the world), then you're better off trying to find another example.

His definition is equivalent of a businessman summoning all the clients into the same room and talk about each projects. It's plain stupid when confidentiality and privacy's needed
 

bladerunner

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His definition is equivalent of a businessman summoning all the clients into the same room and talk about each projects. It's plain stupid when confidentiality and privacy's needed

In this instance, i all the other participants see and advantage and want to be in the same room together.
 

bladerunner

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Basically, if you want to paint china as conceited to the rest of the world or even as near as conceited as the west is right now to china (and to an extesion the rest of the world), then you're better off trying to find another example.

M. F.Y said in the interview.: "Our own sufferings in history have taught us that we should never try to impose on other countries"

TElling the other claimants that "Its my way or the Highway" is Imposing and arrogant in my book

China can probably afford to play the waiting/stalling game as she can afford to get her oil elsewhere, whereas to poorer countries eg Vietnam Phillipines etc, a few billion annually would be a godsend for them. In this sense China is no better than the West.
 
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